Large Scale Central

Bear Flatts Railroad- Revamped

Hey guys, I have never really posted too much about my outdoor layout. The reason why is because it has kinda been sitting dormant for the last few years at my folks due to practicality of the layout. It was great when I was building it, 7 years ago. That was the time when I only had a few electric engines and at the time the biggest loco I had to worry about was a bachmann connie. Unfortunately for the railroad, and my wallet, I started getting bigger, better, and much more “finicky” locomotives. About 2 years ago I was tired of seeing it sit, plus I had acquired a live steam shay, so I redid all of the ballast and had the layout running good again. Once summer rolled around and it was no longer fun to run trains in 110 degrees, it went back to dormant mode. It’s too bad that here in Arizona the critters around are just as destructive as everywhere else. I had about 10 resident lizards that had burrowed their way into the ground and just about destroyed half my trackage. Finally about 3 weeks ago, after the purchase of another live steam loco, my spng ten-wheeler, it was time to rebuild the layout, into a more practical running layout. As I was designing it I was keeping in mind that I want good level track for my rod-engine live steam, and would stlll like a little bit of gradients for my shays and electrics as well. I decided that the main line would be completely level, and that I would have a branch off up to a lumber, logging, forestry camp. Also, I kept in mind other people running there and a couple of storage tracks along with sidings and a place for live steam locos to steam up. So, three days ago I went into destruction mode. I tore up all the old trackage, started moving dirt and lined up the retaining wall. I plan on building a retaining wall with 4x4 lengths, double high. So about an 8 inch retainer. The bottom piece will be about 2 inches sub-surface,and I am using all of my old dirt as fill within the confides. Just a quick tidbit- the 4x4’s are all old bridge ties from the 15 inch gauge railroad in Scottsdale. As of about 6 years ago, the wood was all replaced with plastic ties and these nice creosote treated ties went onto pallets in storage. As nice as it sounds, 115 degree record temps only give one about 4-5 hours of good hard work. I would have liked to have moved quicker, but I think I will survive. These pictures are as the layout stood just last week.

more to come… Matt

The following pictures are from where I am today. I threw some track down to get an idea of what I will need, and how the track plan will sort-of lay out. I would have gotten more work done today, but I forgot the pick at my place and went swimming instead. So tomorrow, I will bring the pick, dig out a small trench for the 4x4’s, set up a string line and get the retaining wall in place. Once that is done I will back-fill with the piles within the wall, tamping as I go. I will also use the string-line for my dirt and leveling that out as well for a good base. At this point I will make sure my track bed is good and lay down some track. I have a whole lot more switches and the needed track at my place so that will all go over tomorrow as well.

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More pictures of progress will be posted throughout this week. Nice thing is, I have monday-friday off, so its building time! Matt

Here is the VERY-BASIC track diagram. The solid black will be the main- the thin black line will be a connector between each set of tangent pieces, and the orange in the branch line that will be upgrade and elevated the loop and logging area. I am including the connector so that when a train comes off the loop up top it can come back down the hill go through the switch and get back to mainline running in the same direction as the other trains. There will be two large sidings for meets, and possibly a few other industries throughout.

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The leg of the layout will be the yard. Something I left out earlier- this go around I wanted to be able to walk around the entirety of the layout. One of my reasons was for the obvious access, but from experience with photography on layouts, it makes it much easier with everything looking in, with a lot less photoshop use. Thanks for looking! Matt

Matt, looks like a gameplan to me… :slight_smile: Nice progress…

Thanks! I am hoping to have the trackage done by friday… a lot of work and quite a stretch I know.

I will have to go and get a truck load of gravel too, I am thinking maybe a ton or so? I am thinking about using 1/4 minus for the entirety of the layout?

After the folks had some 1 1/4 minus thrown down around my layout, I got reallly tired of sweeping off the scale boulders.

I am excited to get this done, I am hoping that any of you phoenix area guys would be interested in running some trains on the new layout. All are welcome!

Matt

Looks good< Matt. Stay at it.

Just remember to hydrate, Matt. :slight_smile:

Nice work so far. Keeping things simple will make things much easier especially with those temps.

I just subscribed to this thread and will be watching with interest, Matt … Good luck with all your efforts, and thanks for keeping us posted. P.S. Under the present circumstances, leaving your pick at home and going swimming instead doesn’t seem all THAT bad of an idea these days; even up here temps have been well into the 90’s…

Hey guys thanks for the comments and interest. Today was actually a lot of work with little to show for- i hate that. I went and got all of the retaining wall in and basically backfilled and leveled out the best i could for the day. Half of the work was getting that darned string line set up lol.[

" border=“0” alt=“Photobucket”>](http://photobucket.com)Tomorrow though, I will go through and tamp the ground solid, fill as needed, and get some track down to visualize where I am at. I am also going to bring in those nice landscaping stones (blocks) to build up the retaining area for my upper loop. I am also planning on getting a good start on the branch line and elevated portion as well. Then come Thursday I would ideally like to be at the quarry getting a ton or so of some rock to bring back over to start spreading out and getting the track tamped in and leveled. Thats that for the day. Thanks for checking in! Matt

Hey guys, hope all is well. Soooo, I decided to take yesterday off and catch up on some other things, other than train stuff. Anyways I got back to it today and got a decent gravel roadbed laid out for the track. I will be using a string line from across the timber, from side to side, to keep the track flush and level. So as long as the roadbed is “sub” timber right now I’ll be good for when I bring in the ballast. I Started my track configuration and with a few different attempts came to a plan that I like and will enjoy. The branch off of the inner loop seen in the pictures will be the elevated logging track and the rest will be the mainline, with the yard in the dedicated area. I did a few tests for retainment and I will probably use a combination of the old 4x4’s and the nice garden stones for the loop. So tomorrow morning Ill head to The Home Depot and pick up some rebar or stakes. Whichever is cheaper. Here is my progress from today. Let me know what you all think! Matt

Doesn’t matter what we think …it’s progress and that is all that matters!
:slight_smile:

I think you are going to need a rack locomotive for this hill :slight_smile:

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Lookin’ good!

““Chanting”” Go Matt, Go… Go Matt Go…

David Russell said:
Doesn't matter what we think ......it's progress and that is all that matters! :)
The rooster's right.

Starting over counts as progress! Just ask me how many times I’ve started over! As Ric says “The project began by salvaging track from a previous effort…”

Bart Salmons said:
Starting over counts as progress! Just ask me how many times I've started over! As Ric says "The project began by salvaging track from a previous effort....."
I said that? I thought I said, "Bart how many times are you going to start over?" By the way, its Saturday, time for a new plan. ;-)

Alright, Well its been a few days and last week I unfortunately got sick- dumb sinus infection. Still got some work done though as I hate to leave a project hanging. So I started really working on the upper loop and getting the grade to a decent percentage(its going to take some work). Once the ballast comes in I will be able to level it out some more. I will have a handful of retaining walls on the climbing end to install. Here it is as it stood on friday- pretty rough looking for the moment. I am using all of my materials at hand to keep down the expenses. At this point I bought some stakes for the retaining walls- 8.59 into this project. Not too shabby. Bear himself decided to help on Friday too. Where was he when I needed the dirt moved before…lol. i swear these Aussies have more energy than any dog I know… He is just over a year old right now. They say they grow out of puppy stage around 2 years old? (i hope)

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So fast forward from Friday and here we are today- got a ton of ballast and got my mainline finished. I also managed to get the inside curve and gradient up to the upper loop finished as well.

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My next project is the yard and upper loop. I haven’t really figured out what I want to do with the yard yet so Tuesday when I get off work I will head back over and get it laid out. I need to get the retaining walls up for the loop and just need to decide how I want to do it. I will probably have to get about 1/2 ton of dirt to fill that all in. I am also due for about another ton of ballast so I will get that first thing as well. More progress to come… P.s. with the help of my sawzall the stakes will be cut to length and will be flush with the top of the timber Matt

The ballast really improves things a lot. Bear’s just helping you dig a tunnel there… I hope you’re including at least one passing siding somewhere in all that track …

You can have a heck of a lot of fun with even a small two-track yard, so don’t worry.
Have you heard of the Inglenook - a very small yard & puzzles to go with.
Lotsa’ fun for hours…
http://www.wymann.info/ShuntingPuzzles/index.html

… Enjoying your play-by play reports! :slight_smile:

Oops… I see the passing siding in the last pic. Good stuff!