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Barry, how's it coming?

I recently finished off an installation of the BBT gearbox into the Bachmann “Connie”. The installation went pretty much as the well written and comprehensive instructions outline, so I won’t go into too much detail. A couple of observations are in order though. Whatever you do, [color=red]DO NOT[/color] mislay any of the screws when removing the boiler from the chassis and then dismantling the drive mechanism to remove axle # 3. Very carefully store them away in cups or plastic bags. Do thoroughly smooth down the gear knurling after removing the old gear so the replacement gear can slide on OK. Gordon Watson of Argyle Locomotive was kind enough to turn these down for me. Do file a reasonably sized D flat on the axle. I didn’t and at first relied on a small dimple for the end of the grub screw to run into. Even though the screw was Loctited, this did not work, and it still came loose enough on the shaft enough to allow the gear to rotate on the axle. A real pain to fix necessitating I once again remove axle # 3 from the chassis. I managed to do this without having to remove the body shell. Moral of the story. Make absolutely sure the screw holding the gear in position on the axle is [color=blue]TIGHT[/color] and cannot come undone. Do replace all the counterweight screws with the supplied stainless steel ones and Loctite them in. Even though the screws were tight, the counterweights still could rotate very slightly. It is a good idea to test the chassis for binds without the gearbox fitted. Gently twist the counterweights to remove any binds. I got lucky the assembly was pretty well spot on. Here are a couple of pics not included with the instructions which may prove useful.

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Be sure to add the clear plastic spacer to the rear of the gearbox to stop the newly mounted assembly from flip flopping backwards too much when running. The mechanism should sit squarely with the motor parallel to the chassis.

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In order for the near gearbox assembly to fit up into the boiler some of the lower boiler plastic must be removed. BBT have provided a pretty accurate stencil which I cut out and glued in position on the underneath of the boiler. It is most important that the black line drawn on the centre of the stencil is placed accurately in line with mould parting line on the centre of the underside of the boiler. Yes, I know the majority of the hole is well off centre.

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I carefully drilled out some access points along an edge and cut away the plastic boiler material with a small hacksaw blade I had removed from the hacksaw. I also removed the holding pin from the blade to make life easy. Take your time and work carefully. You will probably need to file a bit here and there to allow the body to fit down over the chassis.

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You will need to take out about 1/8" from the cab floor as well. Part of the installation process is to remove the iron weight from in front of the cab. I replaced this with a bunch of stick on lead wheel weights. I also added some weight to the front pony truck which can derail on rough track. Once it was all reassembled I was eager to get it tested. It runs very well now. There is a very slight bind in reverse that Barry assures me will gradually disappear when the mechanism is bedded in. I do know that after 1 hour of running it was much smoother. The loco is to be delivered to the owner in a couple of weeks when I am next in Brisbane. It will prove to be a powerful puller and much smoother runner than it was. A follow up report will be forthcoming.

That’s the original Connie chassis? And the gear box fit’s on top of that? Looks pretty simple and straight forward.

I haven’t had any problems with mine yet, but it’s good to know there’s a fix in case something does go wrong.

Hi Ken,
It is not quite as simple as that.
Axle # 3 has to be taken from the chassis, the old gear removed, the knurling filed (or turned) down, a “D” filed on the axle and then the new gear placed on the axle.
The new gearbox then sits over the new gear and two screws hold the gearbox in place.

Gotcha!!

Just passin’ by!

:slight_smile:

Ran mine for a couple hours today after Mike Williams installed the new drive.
She’s a little gear noisy, but Barry says it’ll quiet down after a while. Talk about a slow, smooth start and a powerful runner! It’s a keeper!

Finally completed my conversion. It’s not too hard and it runs very nice. Here’s a shot of the new motor and gearbox on the left; old on the right.

(http://jbrr.com/Pics/Locomotives/Connie/IMG_8462.JPG)

While I was doing this, some of the wires coming off the 4 pin connector came loose. Luckily, they’re color coded. Well, if all 4 wires being black is a code. :wink: So, rather than screw around with trying to make it work, I gutted all of the electronics.

(http://jbrr.com/Pics/Locomotives/Connie/IMG_8614.JPG)

It’s hard to believe that much stuff is really needed. I sure didn’t think so, so my new interface board is smaller and simpler. The Connie runs better than ever.

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Bachmann must have had some sort of contest to see how many different size screws they could use.

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Among other things, as well. :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

Bruce,

Thanks for the feedback. I am interested in how well (or poorly) you do with the new unit. Obviously, I don’t expect ‘poorly’, but if that occurs I need to know.

Barry - BBT

John,

How’s the gear noise? Has it gone away?

Barry - BBT

I’ve run mine 6-7 hours (kitbash in progress) and the gear noise has noticeably diminished. I might weight it though; it still doesn’t pull as well as the K.

You done good!

Barry Olsen said:
John,

How’s the gear noise? Has it gone away?

Barry - BBT


Barry,
The unit has been on the wall for quite some time. Not because I don’t like it, but I’ve been gimping around all summer with bad knees and may layout has been neglected somewhat. I’ve basically been sitting at a workbench.
Sigh…

Add weight to the front to keep the front of the loco on the tracks better. The gear noise does go away with running. TOC and I are not sure how many cars it will pull up to White Rock (CCRy) as th plating is still on the drivers so that will need to wait.

Bruce, what is your minimum radius? TOC has had to do some ‘adjustments’ to the running gear to deal with ‘tite’ radius problems, me I’m just rebuilding section where there are problems!

Keep the reports coming.

Paul

John Bouck said:
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Among other things, as well. :slight_smile: :slight_smile:


John, TOC says that they have lots of screws left over from HO stuff and the are using them up! And you a right, I collect them as I work on stuff and while they look alot alike theyare NOT! Which is a real pain in the Bun!

Paul

John Bouck said:
Barry Olsen said:
John,

How’s the gear noise? Has it gone away?

Barry - BBT


Barry,
The unit has been on the wall for quite some time. Not because I don’t like it, but I’ve been gimping around all summer with bad knees and may layout has been neglected somewhat. I’ve basically been sitting at a workbench.
Sigh…

John, welcome to the bad knee club on ground level layouts, I have a small little stool I use to get down to the track level, and just lay prone on the ground to work on the layout, and now since the first of the season, i’m now dealing with nerve pain in my back hips, and legs to top things off. I struggle to get things done, and it ain’t easy, but this hobby is challenging to say the least, but “what price fun eh???” Like one member says here at least i’m keeping my back and legs flexible somewhat by doing some physical labor even though painful. Thank god for Aleeve! 2 in the morning 1 at nght everyday keeps me going!! Regal

John,

No rush, just let me know after you have a bit of run time.

Barry - BBT

E. Paul Austin said:
Add weight to the front to keep the front of the loco on the tracks better. The gear noise does go away with running. TOC and I are not sure how many cars it will pull up to White Rock (CCRy) as th plating is still on the drivers so that will need to wait. Bruce, what is your minimum radius? TOC has had to do some ‘adjustments’ to the running gear to deal with ‘tite’ radius problems, me I’m just rebuilding section where there are problems! Keep the reports coming. Paul

I don’t have any problems with the radius…my minimum is about 6.5’.

(http://jbrr.com/Pics/Locomotives/Connie/IMG_8620.JPG)

It’s good to have it back running again. The Connie is very impressive - each driver sprung and good detail. Too bad they skimped on the gearing. Still, I recommend it over the Annie to newcomers.

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... I might weight it though; it still doesn't pull as well as the K.
The prototype would not have, either, at just over 2/3 the rated tractive effort. The B'mann 2-8-0 is about the same size/tractive effort as the 2-8-0 that used to run on the Georgetown Loop. It was good for around 6 - 8 cars maximum on a 4% grade. I forget off the top of my head what the K-27s could pull up the 4% between Chama and Cumbres, but I think it was in the 10 - 12 car range.

As for the BBT drive and curves, I’m not quite sure how changing the drive would affect the loco’s ability to take curves, especially since the driven axle has blind drivers, but for the sake of discussion, mine rolls over my 5’ radius curves without issue. (Unless I’m misunderstanding the issue; but then I’ve also run mine around 3.5’ radius curves without issue before replacing the drive.) In terms of the drive itself, it’s everything we’ve come to expect from Barry. No issues at all, here. Smooth and quiet.

Later,

K

Kevin,

Thank you, your appraisal is appreciated.

Barry - BBT

Barry you still with us? I hope things are getting cooler for you. Hows the work load? Should I go a loco buy beng and bring you some locos to conver for me?