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Bachmann Streetcar Scuttlebutt

General Discussion
#101

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:

I don’t know how many functions ROCO and Fleischmann use, but using Aux3 and 4 as “normal” function outputs would give them two extra outputs. Hence ZIMO makes the MX634D and MX632D — probably as replacements for legacy OEM decoders in ROCO and Fleischmann engines.

But now Stan comes the real question, does the Peter Witt have a SoftdriveSine motor(s) or what exactly is a • precision can motor?? (Maxon, Faulhaber???)

HJ

Aux 3, 4, 5, and 6, are simply additional functions for controlling such things as lights or couplers.and have nothing to do with the motor used. There are other pins on the 21 MTC connector reserved for the unique features of SoftdriveSine motors which are unused for traditional motor operations.

The Bachmann Peter Witt uses Aux 3 to turn on the brake light while the car is moving. Most historic streetcars do not have brake lights. The Baltimore Peter Witt does and as a licienced streetcar motorman I use the brake a lot and if running in a street, I would find a working brake light a real benefit.

The motor used in the Peter Witt is a small but powerful new generation high efficiency motor. There is one in each truck and if you look at the size of these trucks you can understand why size is a real issue.

It is not a protoipical design as a 4 motor car should have one motor per axle but then we are not using 600VDC for operation either :frowning:

From a technical standpoint I believe it is a traditiional core motor design.

Stan

#102

*** ALL posts on this thread deleted due to personal name calling and general bitching by Mike Morgan, if you want to find the answers I have to avoid burning up a decoder in the Peter Witt streetcar contact me personally… ***

So Mike you got your wish… Now you have nothing to complain about…

Regards, Greg

#103

Mike Morgan said:

OK , let’s look at this another way .

Have you ever thought how many people are put of by all the technical jargon ?

Reading all this stuff here could----and probably will----make a potential buyer ask , as I said before , is it worth it ?

It’s all very fine flagging up the problem , but banging on about it until people get that glazed look in their eyes is counter-productive .

Do not allow your over-shining brilliance to blind people to the fact that model railways are fun .

There is a problem (apparently) with the item .

Can you brilliant people not use your obvious talents to put it in simple language ?

And for an avowed grouch to complain about someone grouching back is a bit rich .

The question is , is it worth buying ? Explain in words of one syllable why or why not .

Mike

Mike, I think the streetcar is worth buying. I have enjoyed mine and continue to enjoy mine. Bachmann will supposedly replace the board free of charge. So, if there is a problem, or, more accurately, if the problem surfaces, Bachmann is supposed to fix it.

I know, I didn’t stick with one syllable words. :wink: I too have an issue with staying monosyllabic.

#104

*** ALL posts on this thread deleted due to personal name calling and general bitching by Mike Morgan, if you want to find the answers I have to avoid burning up a decoder in the Peter Witt streetcar contact me personally… ***

So Mike you got your wish… Now you have nothing to complain about…

Regards, Greg

#105

Greg

Before you deleated your posts you asked about the pins used in the Peter Witt.

That information was provided in the thread titled “Bachmann trolley, what standard and what decoders?”

I am truly sorry that you had problems with a Zimo decoder in the Bachmann Peter Witt as Zimo makes some of the finest decoders in the market.

As pointed out by others both Bachmann and Zimo could and should have done a better job in documentation. But you hold some responsibility in this as well as Zimo does clealy print a warning in their manuals that the C and not the D version should not be used in locomotives with logic level functions as required by the 21MTC standard.

Use the Zimo C version which correctly uses logic level functions for Aux 3 as specified in the standard and you should have no further problems.

Let us know if you have any further problems.

Stan

#106

Greg Elmassian said:

*** ALL posts on this thread deleted due to personal name calling and general bitching by Mike Moran, if you want to find the answers I have to avoid burning up a decoder in the Peter Witt streetcar contact me personally… ***

So Mike you got your wish… Now you have nothing to complain about…

Regards, Greg

Greg,

All of those notices need a correction; his name is Mike Morgan not Mike Moran.

#107

OK you got your wish…now, YOU…please leave before others with an interest in sharing their knowledge give up too…find a home back where you came from…PLEASE

#108

David Maynard said:

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I know, I didn’t stick with one syllable words. :wink: I too have an issue with staying monosyllabic.

Yeah, interesting word monosyllabic. My acerbic wit tells me that it could just as well be moronsyllabic i.e. a word dumbed down sufficiently to be understood by any moron.

But while I’m on the syllables, if you get the chance go see “Words and Pictures”, very good movie.

#109

Sorry, wrong Mike, fixed and apologies to the other Mike.

Zimo was asked to provide a decoder, we receivedthe “wrong” one… no responsibility here, and have been asking about what works for about a year. If Bachmann had provided a pinout then the problem could have been avoided by me, without any other help.

Bad relations to blame the customer, worse when it’s not the customer’s fault.

I’m outta here on this thread… at least…

Greg

#110

David Maynard said:

Tony oh yea. That’s why so many many folks do a gut when they upgrade to the equipment they want. It would be nice to no have to pay for stuff you are ripping out anyway.

Couldn’t agree more!!

#111

My point was that a basic P’n’P socket is a minuscule cost added to the loco. Assuming of course the socket is correctly designed and works as described. Unfortunately both Bachmann and Aristo screwed up many of their designs.

There is usually no need to gut everything to achieve a good working installation.

#112

Some of you could do with an injection of adult sense of humour .

I periodically pop back here to see if the usual spoilers are at it . Sadly , they are .

Greg , for goodness sake , your removal of the stuff was rather immature . It’s a big world , learn to live in it .

I can only repeat , you bring this on yourself by the use of your tag note , so do not be surprised when you get a reply in kind .

Fred . you do not help . Especially with me , You know why .

Now you can all go off and swap private messages about Mike Moron . Tee hee . Good joke Hans . Gawd 'elp us if that’s the funniest you can come up with .

Mike , Brit

ps To Mike Moran , sorry if you got any flak over this , I shall try to remember to sign my

posts as above in future (so that the illiterati can understand) in monosyllabic terms .

#113

Mike Morgan said:

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Now you can all go off and swap private messages about Mike Moron . Tee hee . Good joke Hans . Gawd 'elp us if that’s the funniest you can come up with .

Mike , Brit

ps To Mike Moran , sorry if you got any flak over this , I shall try to remember to sign my

posts as above in future (so that the illiterati can understand) in monosyllabic terms .

Mike,

Could be different for some other members, but for me you’re by far not important enough to be a topic of my very infrequent Personal Messages on LSC.

Like Greg Elmassian, I prefer spending my time to either help someone who asks for help http://www.largescalecentral.com/forums/topic/21882/new-layout-drawing-help or I keep working on my own projects.

I’m also a selective reader, that is if a topic doesn’t interest me I just don’t read it; saves a lot of time.

#114

Who mentioned any names; I sure didn’t.

#115

Fred Mills, BSc, BS, SD said:

Who mentioned any names; I sure didn’t.

Padre,

No, you didn’t. But there are some who’ll wear the shoe, just as long as it fits perfectly.

#116

Fred , Hans , I do not hide behind pseudo babble , so try reading properly what I said —that is if you have reached the grade 4(junior) level that I used .

My messages to both of you were not ambiguous , unlike those you both use so that you can fall back in claimed innocence .

If you need me to explain the big words , ask .

Mike Brit .

#117

Mike Morgan said:

Fred , Hans , I do not hide behind pseudo babble , so try reading properly what I said —that is if you have reached the grade 4(junior) level that I used .

My messages to both of you were not ambiguous , unlike those you both use so that you can fall back in claimed innocence .

If you need me to explain the big words , ask .

Mike Brit .

Mike,

Tell you what, this will be the last reply from me you’ll ever receive to any of your posts. PERIOD.

#118

Ok, now that we have all gotten out shorts in a knot.

Did we ever answer the question as to why Bachmann is redesigning the board?

What could go wrong?

How bad will it go wrong?

And should I just park my streetcar in the barn instead of risking a catenary-stry?

#119

What I gather so far: Too high a current draw over an extended period of time may cause a component failure Could be the diodes are not rated high enough or whatever.

BTW I don’t get my shorts in knots. After my open heart surgery back in 2011 I decided that conversing with certain people was not a good use of time. My conversation (?) with Mike Morgan was due to a memory lapse — happens at my age.

#120

Hans, ok. So if a diode pops, I could simply replace it with a larger one. Larger in rating, not physical size.

That is assuming :wink: that the trace on the board hasn’t fried also.

I thought that’s where we ended up before delving into decoders and non standard standards, but I just wanted clarification.

And by my saying that “we all have…”, I was trying to be diplomatic. My blood pressure is too important to get it up over a hobby.