Large Scale Central

Bachmann Quality Control (or lack there of!)

I seem to recall that Lada purchased the entire production line - factory, tooling, etc, of the Fiat Panda (4WD) and shipped everything back to Russia. A few months later the ‘new’ Lada hit the streets (even though Fiat had since stopped producing the car after many successful years of production).

Maybe if the Italians drunk as much Vodka as the Russians then the Fiat Panda would not have been so popular in Italy. Anyone who has dated an Italian beauty would know that Italian women can be both expensive and a ‘hand full’, but then at the time it seemed that it was worth the trouble and expense. In hindsight, would not revisit the experience. Why is it that one baulks at paying out for repairs for a run of the mill car and yet continues to dip into their pockets for an equally unreliable exotic European ‘thoroughbred’ and consider it money well spent?

In so far as buying Bachmann because of their ‘lifetime warranty’, then for many warranty repairs are simply not realistic. If one lives outside the continental United States, then the cost of shipping a broken locomotive, even for ‘free’ warranty repairs, costs more than one could purchase another locomotive for (if purchased online from the States. For those who believe that Bachmann are relatively cheap, then in Australia there are still dealers selling 45-tonner diesels for $850.00 Aud (almost on parity with the U.S. dollar now) and over $1000.00Aud for a Shay (38 tonner) and around $1500.00Aud for a 55-tonner 3-truck Shay. At these prices the prospect of buying a potential basket case is too daunting.

On another point, how is it that Bachmann is able to supply Christmas sets to Sam’s Club each year for such ridiculously low prices (going on Sam’s Clubs MSRP) and yet expects that the general buying public will pay full retail price on the same item in other roadnames?

Zbigniew Struzik said:
(why on Earth would I want to fix loose counterweights on a locomotive which in the main review body is declared to have EXCELLENT OPERATING CHARACTERISTICS!!!???) To be fair to you, there, at the end of the second link comes the crucial statement: "Please do NOT place any load on your locomotive until you have ascertained this problem does not exist on your locomotive." In other words, there is a problem and it sounds like a pretty serious one - the locomotive should not be run! Thanks for alerting me of this link - I would have never checked the link otherwise!! I hope you will guide all GR readers to it;-) Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi
Just an FYI. I checked the original, and NO PLACE does the phrase "excellent operating characteristics" show up. In fact, the word "excellent" is not used anywhere. "operating" is used twice (once in reference to journal box lids, once in operating characteristics on downgrades as mentioned next), "characteristics" once, in relation to how you are used to a locomotive operating on a downgrade with a long train.

The “cons” is certainly NOT what was submitted.
Period.

Not one thing I had in “cons” is there, and what IS there I did not put in print form.

Curmudgeon said:
BIG SNIP Just an FYI. I checked the original, and NO PLACE does the phrase "excellent operating characteristics" show up. In fact, the word "excellent" is not used anywhere. "operating" is used twice (once in reference to journal box lids, once in operating characteristics on downgrades as mentioned next), "characteristics" once, in relation to how you are used to a locomotive operating on a downgrade with a long train.

The “cons” is certainly NOT what was submitted.
Period.

Not one thing I had in “cons” is there, and what IS there I did not put in print form.


…Which all just goes to show that nothing must come in the way of successfully doing business.

Not even the truth.

Zubi, instead of beating up on Dave you should be turning your attention to the business ethics and practices of both Bachmann/Kader and Kalmbach.

Does the phrase “Hand in glove” come to mind?

Or perhaps “You scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours” as well?

Jack Barton said:
Shawn Viggiano said:
What did everyone do before the internet.
Good one Shawn. More than a few on this site can discuss what we did before TV! For one thing we spent a lot more time watching and riding real trains. They were good times. Any crap that came into our lives had to forked and spread on the fields ........... oh wait ... that's what we do now with the internet! I guess nothing has changed.

Welcome aboard!


Right Jack,

Let her rip, you’ve got a full load! :lol:

Amen!

Mueller mist by the carload.

You missed the “Mist” point, as usual. :wink: :slight_smile: :wink:

Jack Barton said:
Amen!

Mueller mist by the carload.


But not by a week?

Curmudgeon said:
Just an FYI. I checked the original, and NO PLACE does the phrase "excellent operating characteristics" show up. In fact, the word "excellent" is not used anywhere.
Curmee, Garden Railways April 2008 page 104 (excellent finish, excellent operating characteristics) Cheers, Zubi PS you need to be more careful what you write or, if others write it for you, what you put your name under...
Curmudgeon said:
... well, those really set you apart from the herd.
Dear Curmee, I take this is a complement, honestly. Thank you! Zubi
Bob McCown said:
I've had a number of Fiats (all 124 convertibles), and, while fun, cute cars, they all were far from reliable.
Bob, If they were manufactured in Germany they would be far more reliable, I agree. But the FIAT designs are good and often very good, please check Car of the Year contest results, no other make won as many as FIAT, both 124 (`67) and 127 ('72) are there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Car_of_the_Year . The fact that they (and derivatives) were manufactured and assembled in countries with low QC levels by often unmotivated workers and from sub-standard components, does not change the excellence of the designs but spoils the end product. This is also what we discussed in the context of the K on the previous pages and this was the original thesis by Tim. Best wishes, Zubi
Zbigniew Struzik said:
Curmudgeon said:
Just an FYI. I checked the original, and NO PLACE does the phrase "excellent operating characteristics" show up. In fact, the word "excellent" is not used anywhere.
Curmee, Garden Railways April 2008 page 104 (excellent finish, excellent operating characteristics) Cheers, Zubi PS you need to be more careful what you write or, if others write it for you, what you put your name under...
That may be what is in GR, but thats not what Dave wrote in his original. They've edited the smithereens out of it, from what he's said.

FIAT Fix It Again Tony.

<That may be what is in GR, but thats not what Dave wrote in his original. They’ve edited the smithereens out of it, from what he’s said.>

See!
What’d I tell yuh.
Why bother with writing a review when they will change it to suit their advertisers.

j

Bruce Chandler said:
Hey, that Fiat 124 was my first car! Bought brand new. Drove it from NY across the country to the Badlands, Mt. Rushmore, Glacier, down to Colorado then over to Ft. Bragg.

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/thejoat/FunStuff/Fiat124.jpg)

Bruce, this is a good looking car but it is not a standard FIAT 124! Is this the Abarth version? Best, Zubi

Right… time for this

(http://www.untwistedvortex.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/dontfeedthetroll.jpg)

TonyWalsham said:
Zubi, instead of beating up on Dave you should be turning your attention to the business ethics and practices of both Bachmann/Kader and Kalmbach.

Does the phrase “Hand in glove” come to mind?

Or perhaps “You scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours” as well?


Tony, you are entirely right. I pointed out a striking inconsistency, Dave (Curmee) pointed out the source of it, but it took a couple of pages before he said that he did not write all (and the most important) what is said in GR. Best wishes, Zubi

Zubi,
It is a Fiat 124 (but you need to add an ‘S’ to the end - 124S). Several models here in Sydney in pristine condition driven daily.

Zbigniew Struzik said:
TonyWalsham said:
Zubi, instead of beating up on Dave you should be turning your attention to the business ethics and practices of both Bachmann/Kader and Kalmbach.

Does the phrase “Hand in glove” come to mind?

Or perhaps “You scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours” as well?


Tony, you are entirely right. I pointed out a striking inconsistency, Dave (Curmee) pointed out the source of it, but it took a couple of pages before he said that he did not write all (and the most important) what is said in GR. Best wishes, Zubi

It’s time consuming to try to compare all the data.
I finally found a digital version, and did a “find” search with Word.
The big part is the entire “pros and cons” is NOT what I wrote.
NO PLACE does the word “excellent” show up in my original submission.

FIAT

F-ailed
I-talian
A-utomotive
T-echnology

Not touchin the rest of this topic with a 10 foot piece of flextrack!

How’d we go from Bachman to Fiat in this forum, and it only took 6 pages to forget what the topic was about!! “Geez loueez”