Let me explain something.
The removal of posts was by contractual obligation.
They were not allowed to discuss the K on their forums or at shows for a certain period of time.
ALL posts about it that got specific enough to be in violation of their contractual obligations were removed.
Sorry if it got your knickers in a wad.
Dave,
not being paranoid, but when my postings are deleted and yet others’ postings remain, which were more type specific, then contractual obligation is merely an excuse to exercise censorship. What I said stands, in my view. If I do not fit the ‘new’ Bachmann ‘mould’ psyche, then I want no part of the ‘new’ Bachmann.
Just to lighten things up a tad, one of our former “experts of everything” - you get three guesses and the first two don’t count 
:lol: - asked on a German forum “What is that phonebooth on the K27 tender?”. You just gotta love it!
Oh BTW there were/are German SG engines which had/have a similar “phonebooth” on the tender ( I don’t know if the preserved one of those and I’m too lazy to look right now)
OK, it isn’t a “dog house”, it is a “phone booth”. Gotta love it! :lol: Gotta string some wire!
I think the K’s were originally built before they invented phone booths. But every man that’s been in trouble with the CEO at home knows where the dog house is…
:lol:
Warren Mumpower said:Yeah, yeah and it's not on the tender behind! :D ;)
I think the K's were originally built before they invented phone booths. But every man that's been in trouble with the CEO at home knows where the dog house is....:D :lol:
BTW in that post with the pictures on “TOF” there was mention of Stan having a bit of a problem keeping the K on track. If picture three is indicative of the track work, welllllll … hmmmmm … I can easily see why that would be. (meow!)
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Is [i]that[/i] what that is? Silly me, thinking Bachmann forgot to put the crescent moon on the door. :D
Just to lighten things up a tad, one of our former "experts of everything" - you get three guesses and the first two don't count ;) :lol: - asked on a German forum "What is that phonebooth on the K27 tender?".
Later,
K
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Fer crimeny sake! What is it? A release of some secret guvmint securuty item!
It’s just a fargin plastic model enjin.!
Sheeesh!
TOG
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Does it have ventilation?
OK, it isn't a "dog house", it is a "phone booth". Gotta love it! :lol: Gotta string some wire!
Bob McCown said:. Yeah, but you need to turn on the fan. :lol:Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Does it have ventilation? .
OK, it isn't a "dog house", it is a "phone booth". Gotta love it! :lol: Gotta string some wire!
Steve Featherkile said:Or you have one of the Mini-Ventilators ride it. That would fix her good!Bob McCown said:. Yeah, but you need to turn on the fan. :lol:Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Does it have ventilation? .
OK, it isn't a "dog house", it is a "phone booth". Gotta love it! :lol: Gotta string some wire!
Sorry, finger trouble
Warren,
the ban on discussion of the ‘secret’ K-27 project was a contractual arrangement with the loco manufacturing arm of Sierra (now you know where the Tsunami came from). Blackstone(?) and Bachmann, in partnership, used the same engineering/tooling diagrams for the loco, Blackstone in On3 scale. One detail in the contract was that Bachmann could not mention existence of the largescale project for nine months after the Blackstone project had been released. I think it hardly likely that anyone contemplating an On3 K-27 would baulk at buying it if they were interested in largescale and so sales would not have been impacted. The Tsunami fiasco and now the contractual mayhem, in my opinion, have done little to extend the credibility of the company.
Correction.
Contract was between Kader and Blackstone.
Bachmann, being a wholly-owned subsidiary, had no input.
Bachmann, as a wholly-owned subsidiary, does what they are directed to by the parent company.
Tim, I’m not sure how my name got drawn into this but now I’ll express my feelings.
How dare some pompous assed company tell me what I can and cannot talk about. I signed no contract and am under no obligation. Maybe that’s why I don’t visit sites like Bachmann…and to some extent Aristocraft.
One other slight correction: The Blackstone model was HOn3 rather than On3 (even smaller!) Why they thought that a completely different company modeling an engine many sizes larger would infringe on their sales to the point that there would be absolutely NO mention of it is anyone’s guess. Why they were so paranoid as to require a contract is amazing to me but that Kader would actually agree to these ludicrous stipulations is completely baffling to me!!
HEY!! To any Bachmann representative reading this post…that deal that Kader made was STUPID!!! Whoever the grand high muckymuck genius was that came up with this deal, if he’s still with the company please inform him that “gagging” consumer speculation about this new project WASN’T APPRECIATED!! In fact, from a PR standpoint, it was so bad that I would have to question the reasoning behind such a bone-headed decision! (Oh, and yes, I am DEFINITELY buying one right away and will probably acquire a second as soon as possible so that makes me a longtime fan and probable customer; one of those people you shouldn’t be ticking off!!! Please don’t do anything like that again!)
Well, I’d quite like one, even if it is to compare with my Accucraft tin version. Sadly, the ROE over here makes it unlikely that we will see it for less than round $2000 - a sum that I can spend on a lot of other stuff, like food, clothes, LOTS of shooting…
Best wishes to all…
tac
From the pictures I’m seeing of the loco in action on a pike that is not showing very well layed track; it is hard to see how anyone can suggest that the derailment problems should be directed at the locomotive.
There is one bridge shot that shows a distinct fault in the roadbed leading to the bridge. No good model loco should be expected to negotiate such a piece of trackwork.
I’ll bet this is the type of trackwork that makes people think that Kadee couplers won’t stay coupled also…Shame, on the owner of the pike…
In fairness to EVERYONE interested in the new K-27 runability flap, try out these questions:
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Was this particular K27 model that was shown and run intended to be run?
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Was the model intended for photo purposes only and not to be used as a running test mule?
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Is this particular version of a K27 the SINGULAR specimen in existence or one of many that are being tested?
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IF there is any comparative “secrecy” about new large scale products, what is the criteria for assessing the product “secrecy” policies of Bachmann and the K27?
MY ANALYSIS:
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- Here’s my guess – it is one:
A singular model of the K27, used at the shows and photo session, was attained enthusiastically and shown at a function whereby the “let’s see it run” brought us to the this much discussed performance analysis.
- Here’s my guess – it is one:
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- I think Bachmann has been burned us, as consumers, by our being beta testers of much awaited and acclaimed production locos. Granted, our energy in expectation is a compliment to Bachmann.
Clearly, I have been a pronounced critic of this practice.
Hopefully, what has happened with the new K27 will only reinforce the need to NOT release under any circumstances ANY loco that is so desired by us — UNLESS that product is ready for much appreciated evaluation and scrutiny. In short, make it right, test it right!. Let Dave Goodson have one --maybe two – of the actual production models BEFORE we get one. Get his feedback. Now, make any changes BEFORE we get buy one.
- I think Bachmann has been burned us, as consumers, by our being beta testers of much awaited and acclaimed production locos. Granted, our energy in expectation is a compliment to Bachmann.
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- How can anyone at Bachmann not recognize this incredibly strong no-cost-to-them advance promotion by us and see it become negative within a 24 hour period from failed product expectations. How many times can they rely on this bastion of dedicated hobbiests continually awaiting the newest Bachmann loco and then disappoint them with a product that needed to be fully tested?
Too simple? Too confusing? Hard to understand?
Anything else but testing brings on this mess. Do it secretly. Do it in Washington, Los Angeles, my yard, I could care less. Just do it!
WHEW!
THE KEY QUESTION:
Were Bachmann managers aware of the use of this model and was there any understanding that it was not a running prototype?
Anyone out there with answers to the above questions?
Wendell
Wendell Hanks said:
In fairness to EVERYONE interested in the new K-27 runability flap, try out these questions:
Was this particular K27 model that was shown and run intended to be run?
Was the model intended for photo purposes only and not to be used as a running test mule?
Is this particular version of a K27 the SINGULAR specimen in existence or one of many that are being tested?
IF there is any comparative “secrecy” about new large scale products, what is the criteria for assessing the product “secrecy” policies of Bachmann and the K27?
MY ANALYSIS:
- Here’s my guess – it is one:
A singular model of the K27, used at the shows and photo session, was attained enthusiastically and shown at a function whereby the “let’s see it run” brought us to the this much discussed performance analysis.
- I think Bachmann has been burned us, as consumers, by our being beta testers of much awaited and acclaimed production locos. Granted, our energy in expectation is a compliment to Bachmann.
Clearly, I have been a pronounced critic of this practice.
Hopefully, what has happened with the new K27 will only reinforce the need to NOT release under any circumstances ANY loco that is so desired by us — UNLESS that product is ready for much appreciated evaluation and scrutiny. In short, make it right, test it right!. Let Dave Goodson have one --maybe two – of the actual production models BEFORE we get one. Get his feedback. Now, make any changes BEFORE we get buy one.
- How can anyone at Bachmann not recognize this incredibly strong no-cost-to-them advance promotion by us and see it become negative within a 24 hour period from failed product expectations. How many times can they rely on this bastion of dedicated hobbiests continually awaiting the newest Bachmann loco and then disappoint them with a product that needed to be fully tested?
Too simple? Too confusing? Hard to understand?
Anything else but testing brings on this mess. Do it secretly. Do it in Washington, Los Angeles, my yard, I could care less. Just do it!
WHEW!
THE KEY QUESTION:
Were Bachmann managers aware of the use of this model and was there any understanding that it was not a running prototype?Anyone out there with answers to the above questions?
Wendell
Wendell,
My take:
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If it was to be shown and run … hmmmm … perhaps they should have confiscated all the cameras. Would have saved a bit of embarrassment for several parties.
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In that case set it on a photo track and pretend the motor is defective.
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???
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Never tested pre-release LS rolling stock, but I’ve signed non-disclosure agreements for other MRR “stuff”. From my point of view there are two possibilities:
a) someone signed a NDA and either the terms are so vague that a lot of stuff goes or it was broken.
b) someone handed over the sample without having a NDA signed.
Either way “silly” is the word. OTOH who was that clown who said that any publicity is welcome? Bachmann sure got some of that!