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Bachmann Customer Service

A company is known by, not the quality of its products, but rather how it handles those times when the products fail. Customer service will either destroy the company or increase its market share. Bachmann fits the former category. It has been long enough for me to cool off and look at the situation with a bit of detachment. Let me explain:

A year ago, exactly a year ago, mid-April 2008, after due diligence, I decided to “upgrade” from LGB to Fn3 with a Bachmann K-27. I read the reviews in Garden Railroad and Railroad Modeler, I watched the various online videos and read the online comments of early purchasers. I went down to Caboose Hobbies and they ran one for me. And I bought the green boiler 455, added QSI sound, and took it home.

It was beautiful! I began purchasing Spectrum and AMS freight cars to go behind it. As a member of the Denver Garden Railway Society, I took it out to Golden and ran it on the club’s layout at the Colorado Railroad Museum. Oh, the comments passerbys gave me!

Until mid-November. The engine stopped. I took it down to Caboose and Lee diagnosed the problem as a broken gearbox. Under Bachmann’s warranty, the company would not send the replacement to local hobby stores so I packed the engine and mailed it to Philadelphia.

At least it would be back before the grandchildren came for Christmas.

By mid-December I had not heard anything from Bachmann so I tried calling. When I finally got through the pleasant receptionist checked and said James was scheduled to work on it. And it would take 6 to 8 weeks. No Big Engine for Christmas. I left a voice mail for James.

He called me two weeks later – December 30. No, he wasn’t the one working on it, but he checked. When he returned he said that it was being worked on right now, but it would not be mailed back until January 5, because of their being closed over New Year’s. When it had to arrived by January 9, I called again. No, it had not been fixed – it was scheduled for Irvin. I left another message for Irvin.

Two weeks later he called me. There was nothing wrong with the engine – worked fine! I held my temper, did not say, you blithering idiots! You’ve already fixed it! Instead I politely asked him to send it back.

Another two weeks – everything at Bachmann seems to take two weeks – UPS delivered it to my front porch. Thank heavens! I excitedly open the packing case, opened the Styrofoam inner case and carefully lifted out the engine.

And the pilot fell off! The engine had gone from China to my house, with stops in between, to Caboose a couple of times, to the Colorado Railroad Museum, then from my house to Philadelphia, without problem. But Bachmann could not mail it back safely.
There is a flat metal plate coming from the front of the frame, over which the pilot or snowplow slips. And it had sheared off. I was sick. I also discovered they had managed to lose the lower cylinder cap.

I e-mailed, I snail mailed, I called. There was another two weeks before I got a call back. Again the polite Customer Service Representative apologized and promised they would mail me the necessary parts. When the package finally arrived, I discovered that Bachmann’s engineers had decided that this metal plate was a weak spot, and the plate was screwed into the frame. That at least was good news. However, Bachmann had misinterpreted my request and instead of sending a cylinder cover, they sent the long upper cylinder cover. And when the engine was repaired, we discovered that two of the tiny screws that secure the braces were gone. Another e-mail, with the missing part numbers.

And, after more wait, a message was left on my phone: again, very sorry, they did not have ANY spare parts, at all. Please callback in July!

Well, I have a temporary cylinder cover fitted so I can run the engine. And she does sound as lovely as ever, behind her freight train of AMS and Spectrum cars.

I have been trying to think what I should do now. I thought about flying to Philadelphia and picketing Bachmann’s headquarters but that seemed a tad expensive. Wait, the 25th Annual Garden Railroad Convention is here in Denver this July. And my club, the Denver Garden Railroad Club, are the hosts.

When the convention comes to Golden, I plan to run my engine with its cars strung out behind. And on top of the box cars and the flat cars and the Spectrum GRAMPS tank car, and the caboose, will be a series of Burma Shave-style signs. It is a work in progress, but how does “ASK ME ABOUT TERRIBLE BACHMANN SERVICE” sound?

Welcome to my world.

I can literally guess as to where the problem really was.
I would not suspect the gearbox.

That’s the stuff I dealt with from the Phine Pholks in Philly for all these years.

Bob,
Welcome to the real world. Why do you think that those who have had a little experience in the hobby have shied clear of this loco, the Mallet and the 3-truck Shay? Sure there are a few with the said locomotives, but the reality is that the engineering/QC is simply not what it was and any fixes come from those in the field, not from pre-service testing at the factory. The customer is now the ‘Microsoft’ test guinea-pig.

  Bachmann is the mainstay of many narrow-gauge railroads (but for how long?????).  I voted with my wallet and have decided that the 1/20.3 scale offerings are simply too fragile for everyday usage. They are beautiful to look at,  BUT!!!!!!!

Bob,

I suspect the original diagnosis you got from Bachmann. The K-27 gearbox is the best, strongest gearbox Bachmann has ever had. It is all brass, nothing lightweight, all in ball bearings, steel shafts, etc. The gear ratio is wrong, but the construction does not get any better.

I cannot feature any part which may have failed. A broken ball bearing; an incorrectly machined gear, etc.

Seriously, some one fed you a line.

I have long been a supporter of Bachmann products and service, but we have to recognize the failings when they occur, sorry about that.

Barry - BBT

Thats why I dont buy Bachmann engines. Some people have had great luck (although I think those engines were upgraded) They have great detail but are too fragile. Try Hartland much better quality and service is excellent. I had a bachmann engine that had same problem but not covered because I did not save the receipt. Now it sits in a box. The only way I will buy a bachmann engine is if I can get it for under $50

Have to inject some good news here - in spite of the problems that I’m sorry to learn about.

  1. Bachmann Annie - bought new in 1999 - works perfectly and always has done - most weekends that we are here and at the numerous show and tell that my pal Broos and I do for the local high school up on base. Hauling five J&S cars, BTW, its usual consist. NOT upgraded, as the BBT replacement unit, although wondrous product, would cost me four times more than I paid for the loco, and mrs tac senior didn’t raise stupids

  2. Original, but second run, two-truck Shay - bought in 1998 from the Train Stop in CA - I HAVE the replacement metal power trucks, but so far have not needed to use them.

  3. Original Connie - again, as with the above, used on shows as well as on my little track - tightened up the counterwieights and motor on receipt, as per TOC’s instructions, and by golly, it’s running behind me this minute as I sit here.

  4. Original Climax - a little light on its feet/wheels, so relegated to five log cars and a crummy - works fine - and yet another show loco.

  5. New three-truck Shay without any fancy electronics - currently circulating my track in the other direction and performing faultlessly.

So my experience is totally at variance with yours, and I 'spose it’s bad to feel bad about it, but nevertheless, I feel for you.

I DO have a K27, but it’s the old tin one made by Accucraft, with a Phoenix sound system in it. Works fine since new, but then, so it should, it cost me six times more than you guys pay for the Bachmann version.

tac
www.ovgrs.org

PS - I USED to have a Heisler that also worked perfectly. I gave it to a dealer/installer to have a Phoenix sound system fitted in it, and it never got home. FED-UPS lost it somewhere…two years later, I’m still awaiting the compensation.

You don’t want to hear my Botchmann K27 story.
Well, I’ll tell it anyway.

Arrived with the loose counterweights.
Called and asked for a new set.
“Send or fax your receipt.”
I faxed it.
1 week.
2 Weeks
3 Weeks.
Called every day
No response, left message.
E-mailed every day, no responses
1 month
Got the name of the service manager. Some gal.
Called. Left messages. Called and called.
Somehow got this number:

215-553-1600 and got a real live person.

I asked for Irv.
Got him on the phone and demanded my counter weights. He went thru the usual well practiced replies, “sorry, etc, etc”

Now two months, finally got the counter weights, less the caps.

Botchmann has the WORSE customer service in the entire model railroad industry, bar none.

I have a new 2-8-0 with a broken gear. I called and asked for a new one.
$50.00 says this guy Bill on the other end of the line.
I said I didn’t want a new enjine, just a 50 cent gear.
$50 or you don’t get a gear, says Bill.

I wonder with the internet and all spreading the lack of service, why they don’t act better towards their customers.

Again:

Use this number:
215 533 1600
Don’t cuss out the poor girl who answers. Wait till a manager or parts guy comes on the line.

jb

Change they’re name to “Botchman” I am like Terry 3 or 4 10 wheelers no problems, and one shay. Guess I’m lucky and kind of wary of wanting a k-27 but would like to have one of the second runs, with the counter weights fixed. It’s a sign of the times, economy BAD, downsizing, employee cuts, quality cuts to make more money. Time is money Money is Time old saying. It’s not just “Botchman” it’s everywhere and getting worse. I’m still waiting for a phone call back from another “Revolutionary” retailer for 3 weeks now that’s after being put on on hold for a two week period, with finally a contact within the co. Gave me the details of what was needed, and a price. Price was rather high so I decided to try to resolve my problem with some things I tried on this end to no avail yet, and then John Bouck came into the picture from LSC, and I think I am on the way to resolving the original problem, but still waiting for the return call from 3 weeks ago, and now I’m thinking I don’t need no ---- stinking parts from this retailer at all hopefully, and I always try to circumvent problems by going around, finding another solution to someone, or something, that gives me problems in either a purchase, or crappy customer service. I’ve been a salesman since about 1974, and I give the benefit of the doubt to the other side, until I see that they haven’t met even a less than standard level of service or other, as I’ve been on “both” sides many times. I try to always follow through, and as quickly as I can to make what is “wrong” “RIGHT” . The Regal

p.s. thanks to Ralph Berg for coming to the "Live Chat last nite along with James one of Noel’s friends fellow clubmembers out there in California. Our thingy seems to improve every week as we find out what works and what doesn’t. Noel is amazing with his modifications, and animations he does on things!!! He really helps me make our “Chat” thingy come to life and interesting every Friday nite. So if your bored and nothing else to do remember us on Friday nites, and drop in for a minute say hi, or stick around and truly be amazed at what Noel does. Check in often sometimes I just “Run” trains in my backyard “LIVE” on the spur of the moment. Ran Wed for 2hrs + TJ Lee from California Happned to stop by and we had a lively run, and chat with each other. I do know I received 1693 “HITS” to my site just yesterday sometime after late afternoon!! Someone’s coming in but just sitting on the “Lurking"side of the channel I guess” Thanks to everyone!!!

Jerry,
You, Noel, and Bob G deserve the thanks for putting on the show. Noel’s presentations are great.
The animations appeal to the “child” in all of us. I’ve always enjoyed the “tin plate” O scale layouts because of the animation.
Hope I didn’t leave anyone out. I really enjoy the show.
Ralph

I see the new apologist is over trying to make everybody happy on the GR forum where you posted this.

Dave,

Look at the positive, perhaps this is precisely “his niche”. You just never know when the “right” people get matched up with the “right” company. (Notwithstanding that his prior employer was a good fit, too :wink: ) :lol: :lol: :lol:

Bob, never send your engines back to the manufacturer!! (unless it is LGB, but that does not apply anymore as they are pretty much gone) I have one Dingler 99193 and I sent it for repair two times (the engine is poorly designed and kills itself straight out of the box within minutes). Each time the engine came back damaged more than it was before I sent it! Finally, even the box got lost so the engine came back ‘loose’… The saga continues now for 4 years and now I decided to fix the engine myself, but I cannot even get any info from Dingler on how to disassemble the engine… So I think that you got off lightly with your K, Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi PS I agree with others that it sounds extremely unlikely that the gearbox was a problem, more likely some temporary electrical/electronic hiccup which may indeed have cured itself while resting at Bachmann!

I had one Anne Christmas 4-6-0 new and it maid it two weeks before it started to smoke. sold it as is one ebay and got another one for last Christmas. It maid it most of the Christmas season before it stoped working. this one I am going to drop off to Barry in the fall and have him put a drive in it.

I’m guessing the older stuff works better then the newer stuff.

Geoff George said:
I had one Anne Christmas 4-6-0 new and it maid it two weeks before it started to smoke. sold it as is one ebay and got another one for last Christmas. It maid it most of the Christmas season before it stoped working. this one I am going to drop off to Barry in the fall and have him put a drive in it.

I’m guessing the older stuff works better then the newer stuff.


Geoff,
When it comes to the 10 wheelers, newer is better. The Annie is much better than an early Big Hauler.
I have one early Big Hauler, one late Big Hauler, and an Annie. I haven’t had any major problems, other than the wiring from the front pilot breaking on one.

What John and Bob experienced was uncalled for. That is how you lose customers…for life.
The problem is not the defective locomotive in either case. It happens. The problem is in the disturbing way they handled it.
Treat people good and fix their problem…you get loyal customers.
Ralph

Hello all, If Bachmann dont sort this attitude out, they will go the way of LGB. I got into this caper a few years ago with three Annies and to date I have no complaints with them, being the latest version. I then bought a couple or three 2-8-0s; they are nice locos but the bogie trucks on the tender are pethetically weak. One disintregrated to powder and was replaced by Bachmann(UK) pretty quickly. However since then another has broken. I have used the on line form to contact them three times and got nothing back. A pity, because I like the connie a lot and they are let down by niggling quality issues. Is there a truck I can substitute that will look right and be of decent quality?

I have a Bachmann 2-truck Shay with about 1 hour on it. One of the U-Joints on the drive shaft fell apart, the shaft dropped and then wrecked some more stuff. This has been my only encounter with their service department. Contacting them via e-mail proved to be a waste of time (I never did get a reply). It took several phone calls, but I finally got my replacement part. I wouldn’t waste my time or money sending them a loco. Just sell what’s left and cut your losses.

For the price, the Annies are great. I also have a Climax that once converted to battery power is also nice.

John Anthony said:
Hello all, If Bachmann dont sort this attitude out, they will go the way of LGB. [...]
John, why do you think that? LGB service was close to perfect. Their products were close to perfect in terms of reliability and durability. They saturated their segment of the hobby and went bankrupt, this happens - you cannot make a living from just servicing 25 years old locomotives, especially if you do this for free... Selling cheep and cheerful rubbish on the other hand, charging for parts, service and keeping you on your toes while fixing it, seems to work - people just go and buy some more of it... It seems counterintuitive but it appeals to a very wide range of customers. Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi
Zbigniew Struzik said:
John Anthony said:
Hello all, If Bachmann dont sort this attitude out, they will go the way of LGB. [...]
John, why do you think that? LGB service was close to perfect. Their products were close to perfect in terms of reliability and durability. They saturated their segment of the hobby and went bankrupt, this happens - you cannot make a living from just servicing 25 years old locomotives, especially if you do this for free... Selling cheep and cheerful rubbish on the other hand, charging for parts, service and keeping you on your toes while fixing it, seems to work - people just go and buy some more of it... It seems counterintuitive but it appeals to a very wide range of customers. Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi
Yes but product loyalty will only go so far. People will only buy consistently flawed products for so long then they will shun the company like a plague, remember automaker AMC in the 1980s?

I wish I had an AMC Pacer. :slight_smile: :slight_smile:
They customize up real good.

Haven’t you heard? You aren’t supposed to fix that old shit. You’re supposed to toss it and buy the latest and greatest version… especially if it requires you buy an extra $100 or so of add on crap that you don’t want, but need to make it work right. Fixing stuff is just soooo blue collar or 1930’s. Be hip!, Be cool!, And you’ll be a hero because you’re helping the economy, too! Toss that (2 month) old crap and buy all new! If it implodes after 2 hours, re read the first part of this paragraph.

Customer no$ervice is the new norm, and will continue to be for the long haul into the future. – Most people simply will NOT pay extra for good service, anymore. Oh sure, they’ll bitch and moan all day long about crappy service, but if something is $5 more at the little local shop with good service, then they’ll buy it at the big box, mail order, evilbay, or whatever pic’n poke is cheapest today… Then when they find out that tech support, and service AFTER the sale are beyond nil from the mega shop, will expect that little guy to service it for nuthin just like they’d bought it off him…at least until HE goes bankrupt. – Electronic voicemail and email means the sloppy surly and slow companies don’t even have to PAY some poor college kid to stall or lie to you anymore. It’s the classic ‘dog ate my homework’ for grownups! – Also, modern company execs care doodly about the long term viability of ANY company, they may work there today, but XYZ isn’t their ‘career’ being a money man is… they just want to maximize the return to the investors over the next 2-3 quarters, so they can collect their bonuses. Then if/when the shit hits the fan they simply grab their golden parachutes and bail to their next venture. Customer service is a nothing but a LOSER to them. It doesn’t generate revenue TODAY.