Anyone own an WD Baldwin 4-6-0?
How well do they run, and any other experience you may have…
Thanks!
My friend has 2. They both run great, its scaled to run on 32mm but it is gaugeable for both 32 and 45. It is a small loco
Thanks Jason!
By small, do you mean Ruby sized?
Think your friend would like to sell one of his?
No, it’s NOT Ruby-sized, but it IS a model of a very small loco designed to run on 50cm/2 ft gauge light track behind the front lines of WW1, supplying shells and ammunition et al.
It is around 30cm/1 ft overall length but is packed with fine detail. The couple that I know of, just like the original, prefer to run backwards.
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Thanks tac.
It likes to run better in reverse? Why? Timing issues?
But it looks to have Walschaerts valve gear… NOT the reversible eccentrics of the Ruby.
It DOES have a form of Walschaert gear, but the DESIGN of the locomotive - as I wrote already - favours running more steadily and sure-wheeledly in reverse.
It looks best head of a a consist of flat cars loaded with shells - just like the real thing.
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It got a very favorable write-up in S i t G done, I think, by our friend whats’isname in Austria. [Bert?]
They are available - one of the stores at ECLSTS had one last year. Maybe it was St Aubins? Aren’t Accu doing a new run of them?
Yes, I thought so - they are in stock:
S19-1 WD BALDWIN 4-6-0T (1 GAUGE) – BLACK $ 1,730.00 YES
Went to the local 16mm Society annual show - held this year at the East of England Showground not far from where we live, and found out that the new Roundhouse model is a 16mm/19th scale ALCO ‘Mountaineer’, another two-foot gauge military railroad locomotive - it was BEEEEEYYYYOOOOOTIFUL. This one is a 2-6-2, and no doubt goes backwards as well as it does forwards. Either black or military War Department mid-grey - looks a stunner in either.
See - http://www.roundhouse-eng.com/mountain.htm
You might like to consider that one now, as well as the AccuCraft model.
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tac - if i get one, it’ll be heading up a consist of flatcars with mine prop lumber on them…
Back in the day, RR’s used 4-6-0’s on freight and passenger service.
I wonder why Accucraft’s engine likes running in reverse better? Design problem with the 4 wheel
lead truck at 45 mm width? They seem to run fine forwards on 32 mm track.
That Mountaineer looks quite good - any idea on price? in US dollars?
Those Roundhouse engines run SO nice…
Jim - there is obviously something lost in translation here - I did NOT say that the AccuCraft loco ran better backwards because it was an AccuCraft loco - I wrote that the actual physical DESIGN of the locomotive, by Baldwin, having two large tanks where they were positioned and having no rear pony truck, made them run better backwards than forwards in service on the Western Front. This is an established fact from military documentation at the time, and not rumour and myth.
The UK price is all there is right now - Roundhouse quote their prices in £ at around £1650 or so for the manual version and add a couple of hundred for r/c. Apart from the usual Roundhouse screws holding on the pilot beam, the rest of it was a real looker with lots of detail and will doubtless sell like snacks at a Scottish wedding party.
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thanks, tac, I get it now…
I need (want) a 6 coupled tank engine for my Montezuma Coal & Lumber Rwy, and am leaning towards the 4-6-0 Baldwin,
as it looks like it could be Americanized easier with a new Bronson-Tate cab. AND a 4 wheel pony truck is a rarity in a tank engine.
I just hope the Accucraft Walschearts valve gear can be re-timed easily as their eccentric gear, for slow speed running.
The 4-6-0 should be a good stablemate for my 0-4-2 Plantation tank engine…
Jim, right now you have a choice of just two models in NG, three if you count custom builders.
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The AccuCraft model is 1/20.3 and is pretty petite, but is a great runner. There are a couple around in the bunch I hang out with and they can go slowly with a nice train hanging behind them. Those teeny wheels help out the gearing. R/C can be fitted but it’s fiddly and YOU have to do it.
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The Roundhouse model is not only of a larger prototype, but is to a different scale - 16mm/19th. As the model was brand new at the show last saturday, nobody except the makers have seen one run, and in any case delivery will not be beginning until June/July at the earleist. As Roger said on the day - there are lot of pre-orders to fill before anybody else gets theirs. Makes you wonder who actually knew it was coming, don’t it? Nobody I know had the faintest notion. However, there should be no problems about how it runs - the name Roundhouse is synonymous with ‘out-of-the-box’ fine running. R/C is an option, as I already pointed out.
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The custom loco-builder, Peter Angus, has one for sale, I’ve just found out. Price is around £3500 - only to a UK buyer, BTW, so that lets that one out of the running.
I guess that if you chose the roundhouse loco you’ll be looking toward Fall at the very least, and a price around $2250 or so.
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Ahah! Just got the blurb from GRS’s Andrew Steele - here y’are -
Location: /Locomotives Live Steam/Live Steam - Roundhouse/Mountaineer - Manual
Mountaineer was one of 100 locomotives built by American Locomotive Company (Alco) at their Cooke works in 1916 (works number 57156) for the British War Department Light Railways (WDLR). It worked as number 1265 in France during the First World War. Little is known of the engine’s early history but it moved to the Ffestiniog Railway on 2nd Nov 1967, where she was steamed and entered service the following weekend. She has been rebuilt several times into a reliable locomotive with oil firing (1972), superheating and piston valves, and fitted with the new SB3 boiler in 1983. February 2006 saw her last weekend in service on the FR and she is now stored, waiting the money and time to overhaul her back to her former glory. The loco is named after one of the original England engines and the nameplates are replicas of the originals. The bell from the original Mountaineer also survives and is fitted on special occasions.
Our model depicts her as running just prior to removal from service in 2006.
Technical specifications for ‘Mountaineer’.
Internal gas firing using our ‘FG’ type burner.
Outside framed 2-6-2 chassis with two double acting slide valve cylinders operated by simplified Walschaerts type valve gear.
Water top-up system and water gauge.
Controls fitted as standard are :- steam regulator, safety valve, pressure gauge, displacement lubricator, gas regulator and reversing gear.
Glazed cab windows.
Dimensions (loading gauge) are, Length 370mm over buffers, Width 110mm, Height 145mm, Weight 3.9 Kg. (with Radio Control fitted).
Full radio control is available for both regulator and reversing valve gear using 2.4GHz R/C.
A gauge conversion kit is available separately to allow changing between 32mm and 45mm gauge. Please state gauge when ordering.
Fitted with insulated wheels as standard.
Supplied with etched brass name and works plates.
Available in any standard ROUNDHOUSE colour but also in the grey WD livery with white markings and number.
First available September 2012.
Pre-ordering essential.
£1625.00 - Quantity: Add to Basket
Product Code: RHMOUNTM
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Thanks for the technical info on the Mountaineer, tac.
Interesting to note that the engine does not have a water glass, or a Goodall valve.
Roundhouse must have built it so the gas and fire go out before the boiler is empty of water.
My Accucraft 0-4-2 has a water glass with Goodall valve (I added it), and the gas will last thru 2 boiler fills.
The Accucraft WD Baldwing is advertised as having a water glass too - I would imagine the gas tank is also larger than one boiler fillup.
I intend adding R/C to my Plantation engine for running on grades on a ground level railway.
Throttle R/C is a must, but I wonder if valve gear R/C will help control any downhill runaways - apply a little reverse for braking action??
Jim - these little-wheel generally pretty slow-moving locos do not tend to run away on grades, but that depends on what YOU call a grade. I’d be VERY loathe to build more than about a 2% grade for ANY live-steam-powered rod engine - their power does not exactly translate into a simulacrum of the real thing for many reasons - physics being the main one.
Applying reverse on a little loco like that will bring it to a dead stop, and maybe screw up the valve gear at the same time. Please don’t try it - physics again [mass/inertia/dynamics].
@ Jerry Barnes - please give me a call on my email or PM, whichever is the most convenient for you, thanks.
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Well, based a lot on the info acquired here, I’ve purchased a WD Baldwin for service on my Montezuma Coal & Lumber Rwy.
This 6 coupled tank engine will be the heavy hauler from the coal mines down to interchange, and the 4 coupled Plantation tank
engine will be running in lumber service from mills to interchange.
Jim Bruneau said:We love pictures here Jim and enjoy your new purchase! :)
Well, based a lot on the info acquired here, I've purchased a WD Baldwin for service on my Montezuma Coal & Lumber Rwy. This 6 coupled tank engine will be the heavy hauler from the coal mines down to interchange, and the 4 coupled Plantation tank engine will be running in lumber service from mills to interchange.
Enjoy it in good health!
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Thanks, all! Anxiously awaiting the arrival of the new engine…
You all know what the stock engines look like, I’ll get some pics posted after modifying both engines.
The Plantation will loose it’s pilot cow catcher (too low) and get a new oak pilot beam with proper switcher steps and link/pin couplers. Ditto on the rear end.
Have a Summerlands Chuffer coming for it, and a 2gHz R/C.
The WD Baldwin will get “Americanized” with a new Forney Cab from Bronson-Tate, and the same oak pilot beam/link and pin couplers treatment.
And also a Chuffer and R/C equipment.
I’d like to some day to be able to Double Head these engines via a single R/C Xmitter. Anyone know if this has been done? I wonder if you can bind 2 receivers to 1 Transmitter?
Take a look at this WW1 movie - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3s01i3aa7w&feature=g-vrec&context=G2385aa1RVAAAAAAAAAg
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