Now, let’s not chase any more away…
It’s a shame to see good folks leave. Later RJD
I don’t understand. When the comment was made and the reaction to it… I also tried to read between the lines… Who knows what upsets someone and what is going on behind the scenes to make it worse.
This past Summer a member here made a not so nice comment in my mind on a build I was proud of and had posted a photo of. I was ticked and PMed the guy and he tried to defend what he said and play it down but I didn’t buy it. After that instead of leaving all together I just stopped reading or responding to anything he posted.
Like many I was really looking forward to seeing Boomers crazy build completed.
John Caughey said:
I’m taking a break… from the build.
Our fearless leader has asked me to reconsider… I will, but after I process some anger.
I was online when the fan turned brown.
It wasn’t so much about the invalid nature of the observation/accusation as it was about the way it was delivered. And WHERE. You’ll notice Mr. Wonderful refused to delete…
Saying ‘maybe it was wrong’ to post it (in Boomer’s ) thread, but finishing with a “I dunno” invalidates the apology! Leaving it there is an ultimate insult.
I have deleted several posts on this subject… I understand we don’t ‘own’ our threads, but if we are to remain ‘family’ here we should treat our fellows with respect, not contempt.
I will continue, but please play nice, I’m sensitive!
John
John Caughey said:
John Caughey said:
I’m taking a break… from the build.
Our fearless leader has asked me to reconsider… I will, but after I process some anger.
I was online when the fan turned brown.
It wasn’t so much about the invalid nature of the observation/accusation as it was about the way it was delivered. And WHERE. You’ll notice Mr. Wonderful refused to delete…
Saying ‘maybe it was wrong’ to post it (in Boomer’s ) thread, but finishing with a “I dunno” invalidates the apology! Leaving it there is an ultimate insult.
I have deleted several posts on this subject… I understand we don’t ‘own’ our threads, but if we are to remain ‘family’ here we should treat our fellows with respect, not contempt.
I will continue, but please play nice, I’m sensitive!
John
John please process and then continue. You and I started off kinda the same way and look where we are now. I hear what your saying but don’t let this cause you to leave. I need my antagonist to keep me straight.
Get back to work Devon! We expect greatness! Dizzying Greatness!
yer bud,
John
PS Devon your proofreader wants you to know you heard what you are thinking = you’re thinking… 
John Caughey said:
Get back to work Devon! We expect greatness! Dizzying Greatness!
yer bud,
John
PS Devon your proofreader wants you to know you heard what you are thinking = you’re thinking…
Fr Fred would be so proud.
My project is finished, so I dont really have anything left to post build-wise until the final presentation. I was hoping to continue trading barbs with Boomer but…guess I’ll have to find someone new to annoy.
Sorry to see Boomer go 
Come back buddy!
Vic, if you would like, Wile E Coyote has a shipment of TNT and dehydrated boulders coming, they can be delivered through Boraco springs if you like lol
John Caughey said:
Get back to work Devon! We expect greatness! Dizzying Greatness!
yer bud,
John
PS Devon your proofreader wants you to know you heard what you are thinking = you’re thinking…
Behind every aspiring author is a good proof reader… or at least that is what I am banking on.
OK I confess, I never look in on the Build Challenge, simple reason: so far any of the themes would have meant building something that would look odd on our layout.
I only read the rules in passing, but they seem straight forward “anything goes if it was in one’s possession prior to/at the start of the challenge”.
I guess some have enough “in stock materials” to build anything that could be decided on. Good for them, that’s what makes for uniquely whimsical models.
That said I can relate to Boomer’s point of view, there are days when one just “can’t win”. 
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
OK I confess, I never look in on the Build Challenge, simple reason: so far any of the themes would have meant building something that would look odd on our layout.
I only read the rules in passing, but they seem straight forward “anything goes if it was in one’s possession prior to/at the start of the challenge”.
I guess some have enough “in stock materials” to build anything that could be decided on. Good for them, that’s what makes for uniquely whimsical models.That said I can relate to Boomer’s point of view, there are days when one just “can’t win”.
O 'cmon Hans you mean a read rocket car, or a one moose powered car, or a horse powered hot tub, or a traveling still, or a rotating crystal ball, won’t look right at home on your layout? What kind of weird layout do you have that these aren’t natural?
Well there are both sides to any disagreement. But, when someone’s feelings are hurt, its is best if the person who hurt their feelings makes a sincere apology and tries to make it right. Explaining the reason why they did or said whatever, usually only causes more hurt feelings.
I was accused of some awful things over on LSOL, things I didn’t do, nor had the power to do. I did make a post offering a public apology to EVERYONE on LSOL, in an attempt to prevent the fragmenting that I saw coming. I also thought about quitting, and that is why the bridge I build during my cooling off period was named Resignation Bridge. But I didn’t quit, because I am a big enough anus that I decided the accusers would have to throw me out. That’s when the membership of LSOL started to decline. The “Them” left LSOL.
Maybe I should have quit, maybe not. I do not believe that Boomer should have quit. He had a lot more support here then I ever did there. This site has lost a great resource, modeler, and friend. Our loss will be felt for quite a while. And yes, we did loose.
Devon Sinsley said:
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
OK I confess, I never look in on the Build Challenge, simple reason: so far any of the themes would have meant building something that would look odd on our layout.
I only read the rules in passing, but they seem straight forward “anything goes if it was in one’s possession prior to/at the start of the challenge”.
I guess some have enough “in stock materials” to build anything that could be decided on. Good for them, that’s what makes for uniquely whimsical models.That said I can relate to Boomer’s point of view, there are days when one just “can’t win”.
O 'cmon Hans you mean a read rocket car, or a one moose powered car, or a horse powered hot tub, or a traveling still, or a rotating crystal ball, won’t look right at home on your layout? What kind of weird layout do you have that these aren’t natural?
SWMBO has her very own whimsical train that has running rights on the layout. To appreciate the “Oh really” factor requires a certain familiarity with the Swiss railway scene.
First there is the Eurovapor engine which started its career in Austria on 760mm track but ended up in Switzerland re-gauged to 750mm track in a new livery, add to that a Barmer Mountain coach that looks as Teutonic as all get up, an Appenzeller cheese boxcar and a MOB grain boxcar. not one of these would ever run on the same track with oneanother. BUT it sure looks colourful.
There you have it. 
Other than that …?
I’ve got Boomer’s “snail mail” address.
I’ll drop him a note.
In the mean while, I hope you all continue in the spirit of the challenge, and have fun.
Ralph
I’m sorry to hear that Boomer is gone.
Dave, N.B., Marconi said:
Thanks to, again, the thoughtless comments of another member, a contributing member has left our ranks.
One day people will consider their comments before they hit the post button
Above you find my original post. You will note that:
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out of respect for Bob our Benevolent Dictator no names were used.
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The name that has been posted was the straw not the root of the problem.
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This is not the first time a build thread, or other thread, was disrupted by a misplaced comment.
Boomers build threads have been disrupted before. These threads take hours to put together and in his case even more time in thorough research. Others have had the same things happen to their posting.
Those who are capable of reading the printed English word would also know and recall that Boomer made a special posting in the main challenge thread on disrupting the build threads.
Because of the lack of respect from member to member shown on this site previously. Most of you would say a whole lot less if the person you were speaking to, or about, was standing dead in-front of you, but here you have the power of the void to insure your safety.
Because of this lack of respect between members at times gets degenerative our HOST and OWNER has to offer a daycare center to place the offenders in a time out corner.
In another thread our Benevolent Dictator has apparently reached his personal limit on having to police a friendly site on trains, THAT HE STARTED so he could share his love of trains with others. All he asks is that we play nice.
And in reading that thread where he tells us that he is tired of BABYSITTING and again ask that we play nice, the only thing I see the masses on here have gotten out of that simple request is “Maybe Moderators” is the answer.
Why in the HELL as grown adults do we need moderators to make us play nice.
Who would the moderators be to begin with, when he would have to pick from the rank and file that self admits they need moderators to behave like adults.
Boomer did not leave because of one incident. He left because he is tired of the constant lack of consideration for others on this site.And those who are some of the main problem are the same ones who offer we need moderators to ease your load Bob.
If we need moderators, as much as I would hate to see it, than Bob should close the site and find another way to communicate his train love. I do have to agree with Ken on that.
So you all need to really think, search yourselves and decide whether you are the problem or the solution. If you think you may be the problem or part of it leave, Adios, Si-a-na-ra, ariva derchi,so long, ta-ta, don’t let the screendoor hit you in the _ _ _.
Please, no response! this is a speech that you didn’t have to pay for. Not a debate nor does it need anyones stamp of approval. Don’t like it, tough. Agree with it, great show it in actions don’t tell me what you think.
Dave
How many join the forum and quietly disappear after reading the constant attacks on other members. One gets a sense that if you are not a member of the clique, your input is not welcome.
If Bob wants this forum to continue and floursih, he has to harshly step and/or kick the chronic offenders off. Bob can talk about the thousands of members, but how many other than the standard 15 ever log on? If he ran a clean forum how many would be regular contributors???
Tom, I take issue with the allegation that there are constant or frequent attacks. Yes, there have been a couple of members that seem to enjoy the confrontation of egging another member on. However, this is a forum - a place for open dialog - open dialog is free thinking ideas, and when there is more than one person thinking, there is likely to be differences. Differences are constructive when the subject of the conversation is held to. When the conversation shifts to personal attack that is different. And they have happened here, but they are by and far the exception not the rule.
And trust me when I tell you that this site is a far cry better than any other site out there. I will take a bit of bickering over posts being arbitrarily deleted because a subject or opinion differed from the host/moderator’s opinion. Censure is something I will never tolerate. Censure goes against the concept of ‘open forum’.
I am sure that if only 15 ever logged on Bob would have closed the doors on this Pub a very long time ago. There may be only 10-15 at any one point in time, but there are far more. I lurked around here for over a year before I decided to become a member. Had I chosen to allow a few rabble rousers to affect my decision, I would have been the fool.
As far as contributions to the form are concerned, we are talking about people here. It took me a while to get confident enough to post here, now I have to be careful not to be too bold. There are those who are learning and are here for the answers which if they read are most likely here - somewhere.
As far as some iron fisted dictator is concerned, I don’t believe Bob can be that person. It is not in his makeup, at least that is the person I believe he is. I would like you to clarify what you mean by a ‘clean’ forum.
Am I one of those 15?
I used to frequent my large scale forum until I got tired of the rivet counters talking down to the newbies that if they didn’t do it their way they were not doing it right. Then the site was sold and all those ads came in… There were also people on there that were flat out bullies. I don’t contribute to that site anymore.
I really like the format of this forum and 99% of the people on here. As in life and especially on the internet you have to take people and what they say with a grain of salt. you also have to know when it is worth it to fight. I believe that most of us frequent this site because we like trains and talking about them. Trains are fun, Trains are an escape from the rigors of life and I think especially with the large scale, trains are a way to make friends.
Not everyone can be a friend though. When it comes down to it and trains cease to be fun anymore and cause stress than the answer is obvious.
99% of folks on this forum are friends. I don’t even know who the 1% are but there are a few who do unnecesarily rock the boat on occasion…
I say life is too short to be critical especially with a friend unless they ask for it and to the naysayers just ignore them.
Trains are FUN so please play nice.