Why hasn’t there been a review of the Bachmann (Aristo) HGK DE64 Diesel previewed at the Nuremburg Toy Fair? Maybe, it’s the wrong color red box? Or maybe it’s only one companies products that receive critical microscopic reviews? If so this would leave one reviewer’s unbiased credibility in serious doubt?
First, I think the model at the fair was a preproduction model. They are not on the store shelves yet. Second, they are NOT going to be available to those of us in the US. I can only do a product review on what I buy. I have not bought any new Bachmann stuff so I can’t do a review on that…but I believe that has already been done any how. And Dave Winter has done a product review on the new AML box car. That about covers any new stuff that’s available in the US.
Also if you will look in the “live steam” forum you will see that TAC recently did a product review on his new live steam Garratt.
Now, if some kind soul wishes to donate a Class 66 to the cause and ship one to me here in the US, I will gladly take possession of it…and do a thorough product review…
Warren,
To that I would add, as soon as there’s a review of the beast in the GARTENBAHNprofi I’ll be doing the translation.
Of course I won’t be buying one, not anymore than an Amfleet car. 
Not having the manufacturer’s item(s) in hand has not stopped the ridicule of another manufactuer’s products…now has it?
And I doubt any manufacturer will give gratis a product to anyone when it is known that it will be ridiculed?
I have not reviewed anything that I did not hold in my hands. And I have not seen any review of a product that the person did not hold in his hand…at least in these forums. I am getting tired of product reviews in some magazines that are nothing more than free advertising…glossed over reviews to make the product look better than it is. I generally expect an honest product review to be detailed and critical where need be. That way when I buy the product it’s done with eyes open. This is far more important in this day and age when we don’t have the opportunity to hold it in our hands before purchase. Where I live there is not a hobby shop closer than a day’s drive each way that carries much of LGB, Bachmann or MTH. I have to rely on product reviews to make my decision.
Quite frankly Lone Railroader, I question your motives for starting this thread. Are you trying to get at something constructive, or are you just being another troll. I am quite offended by the whole thing because I took the plunge and purchased one of the Amfleet cars and did what I would say was a very honest and detailed review of the basics of the car. You come along right behind me and ask why nobody has done any product reviews. And you start off by stating that you feel that reviews are being unfair because I didn’t review a product that isn’t even available in the US and currently there are no plans for it to be available (From the mouth of Lewis Polk)! And you have the gall to finish with the following:
Quote:I take offense at that and ask that you state your credible motives, or crawl back under the rock from which you came.
If so this would leave one reviewer's unbiased credibility in serious doubt?
Warren,
When someone resorts to personal attacks such as Marvin is exhibiting, it is a sure sign they have lost the argument.
Assuming of course, they had some credible argument to espouse in the first place.
TonyWalsham said:I've lost no argument because I started no argument!
Warren, When someone resorts to personal attacks such as Marvin is exhibiting, it is a sure sign they have lost the argument. Assuming of course, they had some credible argument to espouse in the first place.
Warren Mumpower said:Obviously you are taking offense for something that you have perceived that did not take place or was said.
I have not reviewed anything that I did not hold in my hands. And I have not seen any review of a product that the person did not hold in his hand....at least in these forums. I am getting tired of product reviews in some magazines that are nothing more than free advertising....glossed over reviews to make the product look better than it is. I generally expect an honest product review to be detailed and critical where need be. That way when I buy the product it's done with eyes open. This is far more important in this day and age when we don't have the opportunity to hold it in our hands before purchase. Where I live there is not a hobby shop closer than a day's drive each way that carries much of LGB, Bachmann or MTH. I have to rely on product reviews to make my decision.Quite frankly Lone Railroader, I question your motives for starting this thread. Are you trying to get at something constructive, or are you just being another troll. I am quite offended by the whole thing because I took the plunge and purchased one of the Amfleet cars and did what I would say was a very honest and detailed review of the basics of the car. You come along right behind me and ask why nobody has done any product reviews. And you start off by stating that you feel that reviews are being unfair because I didn’t review a product that isn’t even available in the US and currently there are no plans for it to be available (From the mouth of Lewis Polk)! And you have the gall to finish with the following:
Quote:I take offense at that and ask that you state your credible motives, or crawl back under the rock from which you came.
If so this would leave one reviewer's unbiased credibility in serious doubt?
If you you go back and “read” my opening statement I mentioned only the “Bachmann (Aristo) HGK DE64 Diesel”. I have no intention of buying the Amfleet cars. And therefore have read no review of them, your’s or anybody elses for that matter.
I take offense to your tone. And since no one individual’s name was mentioned, I recommend you find the rock you crawled from under, crawl back under, up your meds dosage and relax.
The Lone Railroader said:
Warren Mumpower said:
I have not reviewed anything that I did not hold in my hands. And I have not seen any review of a product that the person did not hold in his hand…at least in these forums. I am getting tired of product reviews in some magazines that are nothing more than free advertising…glossed over reviews to make the product look better than it is. I generally expect an honest product review to be detailed and critical where need be. That way when I buy the product it’s done with eyes open. This is far more important in this day and age when we don’t have the opportunity to hold it in our hands before purchase. Where I live there is not a hobby shop closer than a day’s drive each way that carries much of LGB, Bachmann or MTH. I have to rely on product reviews to make my decision. Quite frankly Lone Railroader, I question your motives for starting this thread. Are you trying to get at something constructive, or are you just being another troll. I am quite offended by the whole thing because I took the plunge and purchased one of the Amfleet cars and did what I would say was a very honest and detailed review of the basics of the car. You come along right behind me and ask why nobody has done any product reviews. And you start off by stating that you feel that reviews are being unfair because I didn’t review a product that isn’t even available in the US and currently there are no plans for it to be available (From the mouth of Lewis Polk)! And you have the gall to finish with the following:Quote:
If so this would leave one reviewer’s unbiased credibility in serious doubt?I take offense at that and ask that you state your credible motives, or crawl back under the rock from which you came.
Obviously you are taking offense for something that you have perceived that did not take place or was said. If you you go back and “read” my opening statement I mentioned only the “Bachmann (Aristo) HGK DE64 Diesel”. I have no intention of buying the Amfleet cars. And therefore have read no review of them, your’s or anybody elses for that matter. I take offense to your tone. And since no one individual’s name was mentioned, I recommend you find the rock you crawled from under, crawl back under, up your meds dosage and relax.
Marvin, What happened today? Missed your messages from Germany? Or any other “reliable sources”? Or did some one wet on your cereal while you weren’t looking? Scraping the bottom of the barrel with this thread and … ??? OhOh… I just checked the calendar… today is a full moon. :lol: No wonder you’re so grumpy!
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Marvin, What happened today? Missed your messages from Germany? Or any other “reliable sources”? Or did some one wet on your cereal while you weren’t looking? Scraping the bottom of the barrel with this thread and … ??? OhOh… I just checked the calendar… today is a full moon. :lol: No wonder you’re so grumpy!
Wow, you took a long time to navigate to this thread…get lost? Oh, I’m just not reporting the “reliable sources” information…read any good newspapers lately? Had to eat cereal when I was a kid…haven’t touch any of the stuff in many moons. And what is will you and scraping the bottom of barrels?..you starting a barrel project?..Myself, I haven’t seen a barrel in the same amount of many moons…And have you finished a project yet?..Also a Lunar Eclipse tonight…saw it…looked nice. Am I effected by the rise and fall of the tides…Never have seemed to be. Just don’t have the emotions to support the rising and falling. You never know cold until it’s chiseled in stone.
DING!
This thread is out of hand.
Enough.
Yeah, it is.
If you noticed who decided to throw the first rock
"Not having the manufacturer’s item(s) in hand has not stopped the ridicule of another manufactuer’s products…now has it?
And I doubt any manufacturer will give gratis a product to anyone when it is known that it will be ridiculed?"
you’ll get a good idea where the problem is rising from, Bob.
The Lone Railroader said:The question you asked in the title of the post is, "Why no new product reviews?" Clearly there ARE new product reviews, though not of the one specific (and unavailable) product you mentioned above.
If you you go back and "read" my opening statement I mentioned only the "Bachmann (Aristo) HGK DE64 Diesel". I have no intention of buying the Amfleet cars. And therefore have read no review of them, your's or anybody elses for that matter.
If you’re only looking for a review of that specific product, then you should have titled your post, “Why no review of the HGK DE64 diesel?”
Ray Dunakin said:The Lone Railroader said:The question you asked in the title of the post is, "Why no new product reviews?" Clearly there ARE new product reviews, though not of the one specific (and unavailable) product you mentioned above.
If you you go back and "read" my opening statement I mentioned only the "Bachmann (Aristo) HGK DE64 Diesel". I have no intention of buying the Amfleet cars. And therefore have read no review of them, your's or anybody elses for that matter.If you’re only looking for a review of that specific product, then you should have titled your post, “Why no review of the HGK DE64 diesel?”
Ray
The post achieved it’s purpose…then there were four.
Yo all - I hereby promise to carry out a full, in-depth and totally unbiased review of this locomotive, known here in UK as the Class 66, just as soon as I get it in my paws. Since I could care less about British-style stuff, and have no pre-conceived notions, the review will be done with eyes wide open. and since none of you guys will be able to buy the thing anyhow, it will all be nothing more than a paper exercise, or as we used to call it, a TEWT - Tactical Exercise Without Troops.
I think it looks pretty good, from the few images I have seen of the pre-production model, and notwithstanding the 1/29th scale in a part of the world where 1/32 rules the roost, I think it will do well, even though my pal Rune, way up there with the reindeer and arctic moss, won’t be indulging.
It is so big anyhow, compared with most European locomotives - Russian stuff excluded [and who calls them Europeans?] - that it will make its own place in European-themed layouts.
Best wishes to all -
tac
Ottawa Valley GRS - in the middle of a mega gun-cleaning session after the rain and floods of this morning…
Curmudgeon said:
Yeah, it is. If you noticed who decided to throw the first rock"Not having the manufacturer’s item(s) in hand has not stopped the ridicule of another manufactuer’s products…now has it?
And I doubt any manufacturer will give gratis a product to anyone when it is known that it will be ridiculed?"
you’ll get a good idea where the problem is rising from, Bob.
Yup, I saw who threw the first rock. If I had seen the whole post fast enough, I would have stopped it before it got started…
The Lone Railroader said:If its purpose was to piss off your host and get every post scrutinized in the future, you bet it achieved its purpose.
The post achieved it's purpose....then there were four.
Bob McCown said:No Bob, The purpose was to show other posters that if you disagree with certain other posters they will do or say anything in an attempt to have you banned from this and any other train sites on the internet.The Lone Railroader said:If its purpose was to piss off your host and get every post scrutinized in the future, you bet it achieved its purpose.
The post achieved it's purpose....then there were four.
And the goal was not to “piss off your host”, but it appears it was achieved.
The Lone Railroader said:So, your first question asks why there is not a review of a certain loco. Fair enough.
Why hasn't there been a review of the Bachmann (Aristo) HGK DE64 Diesel previewed at the Nuremburg Toy Fair? Maybe, it's the wrong color red box? Or maybe it's only one companies products that receive critical microscopic reviews? If so this would leave one reviewer's unbiased credibility in serious doubt?
Your second sentence starts a accusation, and at this point it’s not pointed at anyone.
The third sentence accuses some unknown review or reviewers for being biased.
The fourth sentence tries to impune the credibility of some unknown reviewer.
So maybe a group of people know who you are talking about. I don’t, and I wager most of the forum community do not, and don’t care.
So the purpose was to go after someone and show that if you go after them, the rest of the forum will gang up on you and try to get you banned?
You know, that is a good idea… someone that can only think up nasty things and attack others has no positive benefit to the forum.
So you have accomplished your purpose, and I hope the administrator gets rid of you. You cannot even register with your real name. The more you attack others, the less the general community wants you around. I guess it makes sense you call yourself the “lone railroader”, your attitude will isolate you from others for sure.
And when you finally push the envelope enough to get banned, then will you be playing the “woe is me” song?
Greg Elmassian (my real name)
Marvin.
With any or all of the handles you use, how many websites and/or newsgroups have you been banned from, and why did you get banned from them?
Is it true that this is the only website you are still able to visit?
Are you trying your darndest to get banned here too?
Enquiring minds would like to know.