Kevin, even track power is not fool proof. There are locomotives that refuse to run on Pulse Width Control and in fact will burn out boards if done so, and then there are others that run like sh*t if you don’t use PWC. So beware of that. Hint: don’t even bring one of the decoder equipped LGB locomotives anywhere near an Aristo Train Engineer because if someone inadvertently switches the PWC switch on you it’s toast. And Aristo locomotives tend to act wierd if they are not on PWC. USAT locomotives are a toss up. Some don’t like PWC and others run better on PWC. And the only way to find out is try it.
Warren,
I am sure Kevin is smart enough to have worked out that he needs to ask the right sort of questions before getting too deeply committed financially to any form of control outdoors.
He will have worked out by now that it is always a good idea to add up the costs of everything he will need for successful operation outdoors before spending his money.
Not just the track itself.
Not just the track joiners.
Not just the Wiring.
Not just the labour installing it.
Not just the labour maintaining it.
We all wish him luck and will be glad to advise him where we can.
Of course I don’t have much room to talk. I’m still all track power…but I’m still indoors too.
But then again I’m getting ready to take that first step. I hope to have a battery something by the time I go to Marty’s. I really enjoyed running Ric’s last year but I do look forward to having my own loco there. 
Warren Mumpower said:Better watch out Warren.
............I'm getting ready to take that first step. I hope to have a battery something by the time I go to Marty's.
Once you start down the slippery slope it is hard to stop. 
Buy LGB molds and make their stuff? Sure in a heartbeat. Anyone want to loan me several million?
Take more than several.
Last two offers of 7.4 and 7.5 MILLION EUROS were turned down.
Latest is what, 3.5 with a 7 million more startup committment?
Best check the current exchange rate.
Then figure out how many lifetimes it will take to recoup the initial cost.
Curmudgeon said:Turned down by one of five banks. The 7 Mil would be spent making trains anyway. It's not purchase money. Where are all these insane investment banks comming from - crazy like foxes. Probably recoup in five years. (recent gross of 20 Mil)
Take more than several. Last two offers of 7.4 and 7.5 MILLION EUROS were turned down. Latest is what, 3.5 with a 7 million more startup committment? Best check the current exchange rate. Then figure out how many lifetimes it will take to recoup the initial cost.
Curmudgeon said:
Take more than several. Last two offers of 7.4 and 7.5 MILLION EUROS were turned down.Latest is what, 3.5 with a 7 million more startup committment?
Best check the current exchange rate.
Then figure out how many lifetimes it will take to recoup the initial cost.
And don’t forget the “withdrawn offer” that couldn’t meet the banking pool’s stipulations. Oh yeah and before that it was another case of not meeting the banking pool’s stipulations.
Looks to me like those banks know just exactly what they want! Imagine that!!
I’ll say again, one bank.
Now it’s the Insolvency Court’s call. Here come da Judge!
said:It's always an error to equate bias with intelligence. "Eavesdroppers never hear any good of themselves."
those banks know just exactly what they want!
Another big start-up headache would surely be the recruiting of staff. How many of the ex-employees have moved on to other jobs?
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:If they were so Almighty powerful they would have already gotten what they want!
Looks to me like those banks know just exactly what they want! Imagine that!! ;) :)
Kevin Morris said:Hi Kevin, I really have no idea. But, German unemployment payments are substantial and there are very few jobs (10% unemployment, last I heard) and less in the depressed Nürnberg area. Märklin shut down the Trix production and I hear that Fleishmann is moving out of town, that's just in the model train category.
Another big start-up headache would surely be the recruiting of staff. How many of the ex-employees have moved on to other jobs?
Jack B.
John Joseph Sauer said:Gee Whiz Marvin.Hans-Joerg Mueller said:If they were so Almighty powerful they would have already gotten what they want!
Looks to me like those banks know just exactly what they want! Imagine that!! ;) :)
Don’t you ever give up? Haven’t you ever heard of “being seen to follow due process”?
Somebody open the windows. The hot air is stifling.
Jack Barton said:Jack,
I'll say again, one bank.Now it’s the Insolvency Court’s call. Here come da Judge!
said:It's always an error to equate bias with intelligence. "Eavesdroppers never hear any good of themselves."
those banks know just exactly what they want!
Remember who has been saying “Wait 'til next week” for quite some time? Are you telling us that next week has arrived even though it is this week?
That last line must be experience speaking? Is it?? 
This pivoting on your own petard is amazing to watch?
So, now you want the entire world (including “the faithful”) to believe this all is just a random shuffling of documents, nobody has any idea what they are doing (banks) and if they were so powerful it would have been settled?
Amazing?
Let’s see?
They sold it once, somebody said in print they owned rights worldwide, sale fell through?
From that day until this Thursday the banks (remember, even one “nay” is still a “nay”) would not consider any offers?
How many withdrew?
So, it’s going down the course SOMEBODY has planned, and bets are high it isn’t the path one had in mind?
So, they enter the second phase of insolvency?
Gotta be a reason for that?
Now the final gavel falls?
And it is quite humourous that the “wait until next week” slogan has not been heard for a while?
If you look at the entire hobby, the number who don’t care one way or another is amazingly high?
And, after the things all of us have seen, including the posts by the “inner” or “select” group, and the pugilistic attitude of one who should be keeping things calm instead of throwing gasoline on the flames, well, I for one am certainly not interested in anything they may produce if it includes certian groups?
It’s all conjecture until the gavel falls. You keep saying you have all the answers, yet those answers resulted in “wait until next week”…so, obviously, what you “know” you were “fed”?
I am fairly certain the banks are not the morons, gangsters, or any other metaphor bandied about by the ones who promote such hogwash?
I am also fairly certain they want this to go someplace you don’t?
Since the last sale, it seems they have become smarter, and I would wager they have done due diligence, figured out who owns what, who is behind what (and the “e-mail campaign” probably did more to open their eyes and MAKE them look than any of us will ever know)?
Usually this stuff happens behind closed board room doors?
This one isn’t?
And, if you only knew where some of this stuff was getting leaked from, his multiple names wouldn’t hide him from you for long?
The best thing that could have happened in all of this was to follow your own directive, that since the negotiations are at a critical point, it is best for us not to say anything?
Heck, we wouldn’t have “Ventilators” if it wasn’t for you?
I do hope somebody gets it with some idea of what they are doing, some idea of what the 94% want, some idea of marketing, with enough capital behind them to make it go?
Just to re-gain what they had will be a push?
Didn’t I read for every 30 days a company is in receivership it loses 5% of it’s customer base?
That’s 10 months?
Just questions, mind you?
3 days and counting…
Victor Smith said:Yeah, can you imagine it is finally "next week"? Thursday should be interesting, I can hardly wait for the latest wrinkles. ;) :)
3 days and counting...
Yep, but I’ll bet we dont hear a peep till the final descision is made, and all the legal stuff is signed, sealed and delivered…could be another month. We’ll see just how fast this moves.
Something will leak…it always does…