Vic,
Tell you what, if instead of that Snoopy Surfer Joe they produce a “Rolfli und Hansel” set (caught with their pants down) that would be a true collector’s item!
“Made in China” using German “engineering”, enclose a manual that explains the background etc. That could be hot like a Pet Rock.
Vic,
a previous posting by Jack, has production already commenced in China. In so far as the ‘German Engineering’ on ‘Made in China’ boxes, well, it was good enough for EPL to print in both German and English, ‘German Quality’ on the back of every Chinese made item. One really had to know where to look to see the little Made in China tag on the I.D. label.
Snoopy Joe would be a collectable if someone painted it wrongly, or missed a paint stage or maybe left a drive gear or a screw or two missing. Beauty, like collecting, is in the eye of the beholder and lately I have been eyeing off all those Peanut's motor cycles and cool Snoopy Joe surfers or maybe a Mars Flyer. Then I will lash out on all that Disneyland stuff - coaches now being listed (but not selling) at $250.00 each. I really cannot see Marklin being that gullible, or maybe their eye glasses are clear and not rose-coloured glass.
Now I really need to sell all my Wilson Bros. Circus, Campbell's Soup and Coke-branded LGB. I did have my senior moments in my earlier collecting years (no Peanut's, Morton Salt or Disneyland items though).John Joseph Sauer said:They sure were high quality. Generally.
Yes I do long for the days when I could buy a high quality LGB product that wasn't missing screws from the motorblock or was pad printed right side up- those were the good old days! As you like to say- Let's wait until next week and see who owns Marklin/LGB.
Then the cousins went and stuffed it up for everyone.
Especially themselves.
There are quite a few trademarks missing from the list, but I’m sure HJM got tired.
Jack Barton said:Actually I didn't get tired, I just didn't list all those that were wiped off the books.
There are quite a few trademarks missing from the list, but I'm sure HJM got tired.
But feel free to list those I missed or ignored. I’m sure the people at LINDNER BLAUMEIER Patent- und Rechtsanwälte, 90402 Nürnberg have done a very fine job and transferred every single one, as the Germans would put it “Ve are dooing a werry fine job, visout any mistakes!”.
Legend has it: No mistakes in Nürnberg (YES wide open to interpretation!)
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Vic,Tell you what, if instead of that Snoopy Surfer Joe they produce a “Rolfli und Hansel” set (caught with their pants down) that would be a true collector’s item!
“Made in China” using German “engineering”, enclose a manual that explains the background etc. That could be hot like a Pet Rock.
John Joseph Sauer said:Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Vic,Tell you what, if instead of that Snoopy Surfer Joe they produce a “Rolfli und Hansel” set (caught with their pants down) that would be a true collector’s item!
“Made in China” using German “engineering”, enclose a manual that explains the background etc. That could be hot like a Pet Rock.
Please spare us the sordid details of your fantasies!
Yep, here’s another one, this one for EPL covers ice skates, toys, gymnastics and sport equipment
Deutsches Patent- und Markenamt said:
Deutsches Patent- und MarkenamtAbfragezeitpunkt: 07.08.2008 01:30:54 Registernummer/Aktenzeichen: 116213
Altes Aktenzeichen: L10244
UG01 - Kurzer Überblick
Markentext: EPL
Markenform: Wortmarke
Inhaber: Märklin Holding GmbH, 73033 Göppingen
Leitklasse: 28
Klassen: 28
Letzter Verfahrensstand: Marke eingetragen
UG10 - Allgemeine Angaben
Markentext: EPL
Markenform: Wortmarke
Verlängerungsdatum: 01.02.1999
Letzter Verfahrensstand: Marke eingetragen
UG15 - Inhaber, Vertreter
Name und Wohnort/Sitz
des Anmelders/Inhabers der Marke: Märklin Holding GmbH, 73033 Göppingen
Name und Sitz des gegenwärtigen Vertreters: LINDNER BLAUMEIER Patent- und Rechtsanwälte, 90402 Nürnberg
Zustellungsanschrift: LINDNER BLAUMEIER Patent- und Rechtsanwälte
Dr.-Kurt-Schumacher-Str. 23
90402 Nürnberg
UG20 - Waren/Dienstleistungen (gegenwärtiger Stand)
Leitklasse: 28
Klassen: 28
Waren/Dienstleistungen (gegenwärtiger Stand):
Klasse 28: Schlittschuhe, Spielwaren, Turn- und Sportgeräte
UG30 - Verfahren (Chronologie)
Anmeldetag: 08.01.1909
Tag der Eintragung: 29.03.1909
Tag der Veröffentlichung der Eintragung: 29.09.1956
UG40 - Widerspruchsverfahren
UG50 - Teilungen
UG55 - Rechtsübergänge, Teilweise Rechtsübergänge
Bis: 08.05.2008
Name und Anschrift des früheren Inhabers der Marke:
Fa. Ernst Paul Lehmann, Patent-Werk, 90429 Nürnberg
UG60 - Löschungen, Teillöschungen
UG70 - Dingliche Rechte, Zwangsvollstreckung, Insolvenz-/Konkursverfahren
UG80 - Änderungen im Namen oder in der Anschrift des Inhabers/Vertreters
Bis: 14.11.2007
Name und Anschrift des früheren Vertreters:
Lindner Blaumeier & Kollegen Patent- und Rechtsanwälte, 90402 Nürnberg
Frühere Zustellanschrift:
Patent- und Rechtsanwälte Lindner Blaumeier & Kollegen
Dr.-Kurt-Schumacher-Str. 23
Postfach 119109
90101 Nürnberg
UG90 - Berichtigungen
RIGI®
GNOMY®
PRIMUS®
WildWest®
ANNA®
AHA®
BOB®
BASTA®
BIBI®
BOBO®
LOLO®
IHI®
LILI®
LILIPUT-EXPRESS®
COLUMBUS®
FORTUNA®
UNUS®
MARS®
TINA®
TINA®
JONNY®
NANA®
NINI®
NUNU®
TAP TAP®
And the list goes on and on!
Ah, yes.
The copyrighted “Bob”.
That one will be hard to enforce.
Hmmm…why did this “pop” into mind?
New York
London
Paris
Munich…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GieHr2CbPxk
Yes Jack, it will be interesting to see what happens with the list of things (some of which I have not seen) or thought of, or the difference between the registry of LGB and LGBofA between a German and US court?
Food for thought.
Curmudgeon said:
Ah, yes. The copyrighted “Bob”. That one will be hard to enforce.
Yes, run That past this guy!
(http://tv-mafia.com/series_images/Bob%20The%20Builder.jpg)
The question is, what did Lehmann register under “Bob”?
TonyWalsham said:John Joseph Sauer said:Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Vic,Tell you what, if instead of that Snoopy Surfer Joe they produce a “Rolfli und Hansel” set (caught with their pants down) that would be a true collector’s item!
“Made in China” using German “engineering”, enclose a manual that explains the background etc. That could be hot like a Pet Rock.
Please spare us the sordid details of your fantasies!
Marvin, I would venture to suggest your fantasies are much more sordid.
Garrett said:Curmudgeon said:Yes, run That past this guy!
Ah, yes. The copyrighted "Bob". That one will be hard to enforce.The question is, what did Lehmann register under “Bob”?
Your guy is “Bob der Baumeister” (in Germany). (Bob the Builder in the USA.)
I’m talking about “Lehmann BOB” (all caps). It was used on a pull-back toy bobsled.
Jack Barton said:Garrett said:Curmudgeon said:Yes, run That past this guy!
Ah, yes. The copyrighted "Bob". That one will be hard to enforce.The question is, what did Lehmann register under “Bob”?
Hi Garrett,Your guy is “Bob der Baumeister” (in Germany). (Bob the Builder in the USA.)
I’m talking about “Lehmann BOB” (all caps). It was used on a pull-back toy bobsled.
Ah, so a registered trademark for each toy name? I wonder how that works, as there is Bob the Builder, he is OK, but if my toy company made a Bob the Bobsled would be out, since the bobsled toy has been registered?
How far reaching is such a trademark is what I wonder?
Garrett said:Remember BOB and Bob are different marks. Many marks are worthless outside the country of registry or unified countries such as the EU.
How far reaching is such a trademark is what I wonder?
And they have to be maintained and used. Lehmann used to own the “UHU” mark but lost it to the glue company and later a band when it wasn’t re-registered. That’s why several LGB and Toy Train items reused some of the old names.
They also owned “Octopussy” (toy Octopus) and authorized it to the Bond movie.
Jack Barton said:WoW! What a list!
RIGI® GNOMY® PRIMUS® WildWest® ANNA® AHA® BOB® BASTA® BIBI® BOBO® LOLO® IHI® LILI® LILIPUT-EXPRESS® COLUMBUS® FORTUNA® UNUS® MARS® TINA® TINA® JONNY® MARS®® NINI® NUNU® TAP TAP® And the list goes on and on!
Never even entered my mind to look for those! Honestly it didn’t! I must have had the less extremely TOY LIKE items on my mind. So I tried the NANA. 22 hits not one of them any kind of connection. 
Next LILIPUT-EXPRESS
and here is what I got
DPINFO said:
Serverhinweis: Bei der Recherche wurden keine Aktenzeichen gefundenkein Treffer bei der Suche nach: “LILIPUT+EXPRESS”/text
Let’s try RIGI
DPMA said:
Deutsches Patent- und MarkenamtAbfragezeitpunkt: 07.08.2008 04:31:47 Registernummer/Aktenzeichen: 674462
Altes Aktenzeichen: L3989
UG01 - Kurzer Überblick
Markentext: Rigi
Markenform: Wortmarke
Inhaber: Märklin Holding GmbH, 73033 Göppingen
Leitklasse: 28
Klassen: 28
Letzter Verfahrensstand: Marke eingetragen
UG10 - Allgemeine Angaben
Markentext: Rigi
Markenform: Wortmarke
Verlängerungsdatum: 31.07.2004
Letzter Verfahrensstand: Marke eingetragen
UG15 - Inhaber, Vertreter
Name und Wohnort/Sitz
des Anmelders/Inhabers der Marke: Märklin Holding GmbH, 73033 Göppingen
Name und Sitz des gegenwärtigen Vertreters: LINDNER BLAUMEIER Patent- und Rechtsanwälte, 90402 Nürnberg
Zustellungsanschrift: LINDNER BLAUMEIER Patent- und Rechtsanwälte
Dr.-Kurt-Schumacher-Str. 23
90402 Nürnberg
UG20 - Waren/Dienstleistungen (gegenwärtiger Stand)
Leitklasse: 28
Klassen: 28
Waren/Dienstleistungen (gegenwärtiger Stand):
Klasse 28: Spielwaren, Turn- und Sportgeräte
UG30 - Verfahren (Chronologie)
Anmeldetag: 30.07.1954
Tag der Bekanntmachung: 15.11.1954
Tag der Eintragung: 14.04.1955
Tag der Veröffentlichung der Eintragung: 14.05.1955
UG40 - Widerspruchsverfahren
UG50 - Teilungen
UG55 - Rechtsübergänge, Teilweise Rechtsübergänge
Bis: 08.05.2008
Name und Anschrift des früheren Inhabers der Marke:
Ernst Paul Lehmann Patentwerk, 90475 Nürnberg
UG60 - Löschungen, Teillöschungen
UG70 - Dingliche Rechte, Zwangsvollstreckung, Insolvenz-/Konkursverfahren
UG80 - Änderungen im Namen oder in der Anschrift des Inhabers/Vertreters
Bis: 14.11.2007
Name und Anschrift des früheren Vertreters:
Lindner Blaumeier & Kollegen Patent- und Rechtsanwälte, 90402 Nürnberg
Frühere Zustellanschrift:
Patent- und Rechtsanwälte Lindner Blaumeier & Kollegen
Dr.-Kurt-Schumacher-Str. 23
Postfach 119109
90101 Nürnberg
UG90 - Berichtigungen
DPMA said:
Deutsches Patent- und MarkenamtAbfragezeitpunkt: 07.08.2008 04:37:27 Registernummer/Aktenzeichen: 477639
Altes Aktenzeichen: L38762
UG01 - Kurzer Überblick
Markentext: FORTUNA
Markenform: Wortmarke
Inhaber: Ernst Paul Lehmann Patentwerk, 90475 Nürnberg
Leitklasse: 28
Klassen: 28
Letzter Verfahrensstand: Marke gelöscht
UG10 - Allgemeine Angaben
Markentext: FORTUNA
Markenform: Wortmarke
Verlängerungsdatum: 08.09.1994
Letzter Verfahrensstand: Marke gelöscht
UG15 - Inhaber, Vertreter
Name und Wohnort/Sitz
des Anmelders/Inhabers der Marke: Ernst Paul Lehmann Patentwerk, 90475 Nürnberg
Name und Sitz des gegenwärtigen Vertreters: Lindner Blaumeier & Kollegen Patent- und Rechtsanwälte, 90402 Nürnberg
Zustellungsanschrift: Patent- und Rechtsanwälte Lindner Blaumeier & Kollegen
Dr.-Kurt-Schumacher-Str. 23
Postfach 119109
90101 Nürnberg
UG20 - Waren/Dienstleistungen (gegenwärtiger Stand)
Leitklasse: 28
Klassen: 28
Waren/Dienstleistungen (gegenwärtiger Stand):
Klasse 28: Spielwaren, Turn- und Sportgeräte
UG30 - Verfahren (Chronologie)
Anmeldetag: 08.09.1934
Tag der Eintragung: 17.07.1935
Tag der Veröffentlichung der Eintragung: 31.05.1956
UG40 - Widerspruchsverfahren
UG50 - Teilungen
UG55 - Rechtsübergänge, Teilweise Rechtsübergänge
UG60 - Löschungen, Teillöschungen
(Teil-)Löschungsverfahren Antrag Inhaber
Rechtsgrund: Löschung wegen Nichtverlängerung nach §47
Marke gelöscht
Marke gelöscht am: 09.09.2004
UG70 - Dingliche Rechte, Zwangsvollstreckung, Insolvenz-/Konkursverfahren
UG80 - Änderungen im Namen oder in der Anschrift des Inhabers/Vertreters
UG90 - Berichtigungen
Jack Barton said:Garrett said:Remember BOB and Bob are different marks. Many marks are worthless outside the country of registry or unified countries such as the EU.
How far reaching is such a trademark is what I wonder?And they have to be maintained and used. Lehmann used to own the “UHU” mark but lost it to the glue company and later a band when it wasn’t re-registered. That’s why several LGB and Toy Train items reused some of the old names.
They also owned “Octopussy” (toy Octopus) and authorized it to the Bond movie.
Lehmann BOB is a DNS
"Serverhinweis:
Bei der Recherche wurden keine Aktenzeichen gefunden
kein Treffer bei der Suche nach: “LEHMANN+BOB”/text"
In any case, it is quite clear who holds the trademarks! 
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:My 2 year old can tell you who "Nana" is!!!!!!
Never even entered my mind to look for those! I tried the NANA. 22 hits not one of them any kind of connection. :D
John Joseph Sauer said:Hey JJ, You stated;Marklin isn't making huge profits how about no profit, or red numbers so far. Maerklin just stated to newspaper that they will reduce cost for employees to solve this problem.
Your one big question mark to me pal. Perhaps they are willing to wait because they can't afford to buy the distribution rights back? Reading the other posts on this forum leads me to believe Marklin isn't making huge profits at the moment. Three and a half years is a long wait. Can they afford to lose the market share until then? I can use question marks too. It's not very hard.
PJ
