Large Scale Central

Where are the vendors and magazine publishers \ authors??

My other hobby is over landing \ mild off roading, on the 5 or so forums I visit on a daily basis, I can easily find posts \ forum activity \ participation from representatives from most all product vendors and even some magazine publishers and authors, in fact some forums have sections entirely devoted to a single vendor.

In the large scale train world, the only persons I see active on this and the other large scale Train forum is Kevin Strong, Del Tapporo and that guy from down under. Where are the rest of the magazine publishers \ authors? Why don’t they participate here on the forums?

Where are the vendors promoting and supporting their products? As far as I know only Bachmann and Aristocraft have forums, but i would think they would benefit from participating here also.

And It would be great if the small vendors made a presence on the forums as well, especially the good vendors like PNG, Ozark, Hartford, etc.

Just Curious

“That guy” from down under… …his name is Tony Walsham (RCS)

Maybe with such a burnin’ curiosity, you should contact said vendors direct. That way you’ll get an honest answer, and not ‘pure speculation’ and BS for your answer

There’s quite a number of “authors” here already. I have had 14 articles published in Garden Railways, and I am not alone in my participation on this forum.

As far as publishers go, I’m not sure why they would bother to participate; I see forums like these as competition to the printed page.

Vendors? Well, I think it takes a pretty thick skin to participate on a regular basis, though there are a number that do, perhaps you’re just not aware of them, much like the authors?

One reason that has held me back from submitting an article on my pizza layout is I simply do not have a camera that allows me to meet GRs minimum requirements (which are quite high re: resolution). Lack of professional equipment to submit high quality resolution photos can significantly hamper participation.

And we have a bit of a history of abusing manufacturers who attempt to participate.

Well, maybe just a little

Tom Ruby said:

And we have a bit of a history of abusing manufacturers who attempt to participate.

Well, maybe just a little

Amen to that, Tom!

I’m in with Vic. Marc told me my resolution was not high enough for the magazine anymore. I have not bought a new one, so guess my writing career is over. Had several articles in GR and the other magazines that are now gone. I guess Steam in the Garden is still going, did a few for them. Just easier to write in the forums about what you are doing. Read a lot of good stuff here by guys and can ask questions. Like online better. Not sure which has the greater #'s reading, online forums or GR? Any guesses?

Jerry Barnes said:

I’m in with Vic. Marc told me my resolution was not high enough for the magazine anymore. I have not bought a new one, so guess my writing career is over. Had several articles in GR and the other magazines that are now gone. I guess Steam in the Garden is still going, did a few for them. Just easier to write in the forums about what you are doing. Read a lot of good stuff here by guys and can ask questions. Like online better. Not sure which has the greater #'s reading, online forums or GR? Any guesses?

Exactly, I’m not going to spend a wad of $$ for a camera just so I can submit an article, Marc and Kalmbach REALLY need to rethink their submission standards because while they always say they rely on readers for submissions, at the same time they are also locking out a lot of possible submittals simply because the image standards are ridiculous. So while GR may be out, I am planning on trying the Gazette.

Dave,

All of the above answers are valid answers, plus I will add my tuppence. I have also participated in fora such as you mention, and with out question, there always seems to be a bias by the manufacturers and the vendors to their specific needs/desires. I find that the information I gain here is as unbiased as I believe I can receive.I would prefer to hear from a fellow modeler that a product either performs or not. Manufacturers don’t particularly own up to their shortcomings.

As for the magazines and articles, I have recently begun a campaign of scanning the articles I am interested in and passing on all my old Model Railroader and Railroad Model Craftsman magazines. The thing I find interesting is that the newer that issue of the magazine, the less I find I am scanning and keeping. The magazines are more advertising and less content. Advertising is important, but without content, I the reader have nothing to bring me to the magazine. Compound with the question “Why should I pay someone - print magazine or fora - for what I can get here for free?”

If you look, there are advertisers here, but I don’t get barraged with advertising as I do on other fora. Those same advertisers will answer questions, if asked directly. As for manufacturers, there are few majors left, and those that are have their own thing going. The lesser manufacturers have their web sites to maintain and product to make and don’t generally have the time to spend kabitzing on forums. That said, some make appearances here now and again. Some do frequent as lurkers keeping a finger on the pulse of what is going on, but not actively participating. I applaud those that are left and will search them out.

I personally believe you will receive as good or better information here, and in a far more timely fashion than relying on manufacturers, vendors and magazines.

Bob C.

PS - I have a multiple year subscription to Garden Railways and Narrow Gauge and Short Line Gazette. I am NOT anit print. All forms of information supply are valid.

Jerry Barnes said:

… Not sure which has the greater #'s reading, online forums or GR? Any guesses?

GR’s circulation is around 27,000. The Gazette’s is around 17,000. (Data from the respective magazines’ “statement of ownership” which is published once a year.) Contrast that to forums, where you’re lucky if a post gets 500 views in many cases. LSC has 3,450 members, MLS around 11,000. Of those, how many are active or just lurkers, or folks who registered many moons ago, made one or two posts (if that) and haven’t been seen since. Print still has a far greater reach than these forums.

Later,

K

Jerry Barnes said:

I’m in with Vic. Marc told me my resolution was not high enough for the magazine anymore. I have not bought a new one, so guess my writing career is over. Had several articles in GR and the other magazines that are now gone. I guess Steam in the Garden is still going, did a few for them. Just easier to write in the forums about what you are doing. Read a lot of good stuff here by guys and can ask questions. Like online better. Not sure which has the greater #'s reading, online forums or GR? Any guesses?

I’ve done all of my own articles with fairly inexpensive cameras so I’m not sure what resolution is required today. My problem is on the other end: Marc has told me he has more than enough of my stuff already; so I guess I’m done. :frowning:

GR’s suggested requirements for digital pictures are here

http://www.kalmbach.com/~/media/Files/PDF/submissions.pdf

http://www.kalmbach.com/en/Books/Author%20Information/2008/06/How%20to%20Contribute%20Photography.aspx

Makes good sense to achieve consistent quality.

IMO 10meg pictures should be sufficient, shooting in auto mode should do the trick which means any Point and Shoot cam that delivers 10 meg should do. And the price of those has really come down in recent years.

PS Small edit! It is always a delight to see how “the big experts” add spaces to an URL along with having URLs that lead nowhere. Ah well! GRRRRRR

Dave Schmitz said:

In the large scale train world, the only persons I see active on this and the other large scale Train forum is Kevin Strong, Del Tapporo and that guy from down under. Where are the rest of the magazine authors? Why don’t they participate here on the forums?

Just Curious

We’re around. You just don’t know who we are. :wink:

My beef is that Marc will ask me for a specific article on something I’ve made and I’ll go to the effort to write the article, take hi rez pics, (and maybe even prepare electrical schematics), submit it, and not hear back.

Jerry Barnes said:

Not sure which has the greater #'s reading, online forums or GR? Any guesses?

My question would be which has the greater number on modeler’s who would get something out of those articles?

Ken Brunt said:

Jerry Barnes said:

Not sure which has the greater #'s reading, online forums or GR? Any guesses?

My question would be which has the greater number on modeler’s who would get something out of those articles?

Better yet, where can I get the most feedback? Not only that, but here I can get suggestions and alternatives while I’m still building my model.

True…, but if you write an article and get it published, it may well pay for the project, and then some. You can still share your project on-line.

I send pics in 6 mp (3000 x 2000), and that’s not all that high by today’s standards. Many phones can do this or better. But I use a Nikon and the phone’s optics usually aren’t as good.

I agree, Todd. The money has been nice and it has helped pay for a bunch of stuff. But I sure do like the friendships that I have started here a whole lot more.

Well it seems to me that in the past blatant drum beating by a manufacturer or even a cottage industry supplier has pretty much been discouraged on this and other large scale forums. A couple changed their policy drastically but thank goodness this forum still holds to it. Seems kind of self regulating in this respect. New product announcements and impartial reviews have always been welcome and appreciated by all concerned.

Dave, there is a ton of authors and cottage industry suppliers, past and present, on this and other large scale forums. You don’t see much information about them unless you look specifically at the banner ads and other ads that accompany the forum information. Most of the very innovative work be it building or writing was done very early on say 1990 through 2000 just to pick some numbers. Not saying that there isn’t great stuff still being produced or published just saying how many ways can you describe the construction of a switch or the hooking up of a battery?

I for one dropped my subscription to GR a couple years ago, not because they weren’t providing a good product but because I have pretty much seen and done most everything they are printing.

That statement is not meant to sound arrogant, just saying by the time I get the mag, I have seen and actually done some of it because I saw it here first.

These forums may not have the following in numbers that the mags have but they provide a much wider, deeper and faster form of information for modelers, train runners, collectors, etc. than the mags could every hope to do. Also with the demise of the LHS’s the forums have taken up the slack of the “Saturday morning bs session at the train store”.

Like always these are just my opinions.

Not always right but always mine.

Rick

I submitted an article to GR and was turned down. LSOL put the article up and I wrote many more for them. I have done 2 how to threads here, but I have yet to refine them into an actual article and post them in the article section here. I don’t know if I would try again to submit anything to GR. I enjoy the feedback and camaraderie on forums much more.

As for manufacturers, George Adams and Lewis Polk used to post on LSOL. And every time they posted, they got skewered with criticism and off topic questions, usually in negative verbiage. So I can see why they may not post. But I would think it would be in their best interest to lurk. Many threads have nothing to do with their product, but they would be wise to read the threads that do have to do with their product. Do they? I don’t know. I know George and Lewis did on LSOL.