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What to do with illegals?

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#1

Subject: Fwd: Enough To Piss Off Any American!

I wonder how we can force our politicians to look at these kinds of solution,

they don’t seem to think this way.

HOOVER, TRUMAN AND EISENHOWER:

Here is something that should be of great interest for you to pass around. I didn’t know of this until it was pointed out to me.

Back during The Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of ALL illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work.

Harry Truman deported over two million Illegal’s after W.W.II to create

jobs for returning veterans. And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million Mexican nationals! The program was called ‘Operation Wetback’ so that American W.W.II and Korean veterans had a better chance at jobs. It took 2 years, but they deported them!

Now, if they could deport the illegal’s back then, they can sure do it today! lf you have doubts about the veracity of this information, enter Operation Wetback into your favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself.

Reminder. Don’t forget to pay your taxes…12 million Illegal Aliens are depending on you!

This is astounding and infuriating. Why isn’t this in the papers? Please read and pass it on.

WHY ARE WE BANKRUPT?

Informative, and mind boggling!

You think the war in Iraqis costing us too much? Read this:

Boy, was I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.

I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I also have included the URL’s for verification of all the following facts.

  1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.

Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77

  1. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

  1. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

  1. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!

Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.HTML

  1. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

Verify at http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

  1. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/%20TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

  1. 30% percent of all Federal Prison illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

  1. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &social services by the American taxpayers.

Verify at: http://premium.CNN.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.HTML

  1. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSC%20RI%20PTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

  1. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US

Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.HTML

  1. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.

Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht 12. The National policy Institute, estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.’ Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/PDF/deportation.PDF

  1. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.

Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm>

  1. ‘The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .’

Verify at: http: // www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU’RE LIKE ME HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.

Are we THAT stupid?

YES, FOR LETTING THOSE IN THE US CONGRESS GET AWAY WITH LETTING THIS HAPPEN YEAR AFTER YEAR!!!

tomh

#2

Tell us what you REALLY think, Tom…

#3

This is a MUST SEE video for anyone interested in the immigration debate, whether you are a citizen, an illegal alien or a Congressman. …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ

#4
tom huisenga said:
9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU’RE LIKE ME HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.

Are we THAT stupid?

YES, FOR LETTING THOSE IN THE US CONGRESS GET AWAY WITH LETTING THIS HAPPEN YEAR AFTER YEAR!!!

tomh


That $338.3 billion is a big number.
However, we now have a welfare program for the wealthy around the world that we have already spent 10 times that amount.
$200 billion in suppressed wages…also peanuts compared to the jobs the banks have cost us.
Illegals will not cause our downfall.
The banks may have already.
Ralph

#5

I don’t mean anyone ill will but if you are in the US illegally, I want you gone period. I pay my taxes, I work long hours like everyone else, my kids will go to college so they can “try” getting a job, I vote, I follow the laws we have in place and play by all the rules. You know, all the things the legal American society dictates…

If you are in my country illegally, get out.

Jon.

#6

Dear All,

Why pols don’t do anything about it?

From what I’ve heard and can remember:

1.) Politicians want to stay in office, so they don’t touch immigration. The reason is that American citizens of Hispanic descent form a voting block that is big enough (or nearly big enough) to defeat any pol who says anything bad about, or votes against immigrants, legal or otherwise. They want to see their blood relatives get to the USA, legally or illegally.

The only way around this would be to have the pols form committees of non-elected people (former defeated politicians, eg.) to dictate the rules, so the pols could wash their hands of it. (Metropolitan councils, eg. have land use dictatorial powers, but aren’t elected and aren’t removable from office for their outrageous decisions.)

Term limits (forcing lame ducks) could reduce the fear of the pols, but their party could still suffer from their public statements and/or voting record.

2.) Pocketing of tax withholdings from illegals and others who don’t file income taxes. No filings = no refunds = free money for the government. What pol would say no to free money?

It would take minimal sleuthing (per worker) to figure out who is using a false social security number or false work ID, but why stop them from paying withholdings that will never have to be paid back?

I’m not sure what the yearly dollar amount is for pocketed withholdings from non-filers, illegal aliens or otherwise. Anyone know?

I’m not arguing against them paying for social services rendered, etc. It just seems like a dirty way to collect it.

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

Joe Satnik

#7

I am not in favour of sending the ilegals home, but interesting statistics in that American unemployment now around 10%, Canada 8% and Mexico - 5%. America needs a bigger human export market to solve its problems. The U.S. is entrenched in the benefits, long and short term that illegals have carried out for generations. The economy is dependent on their contribution. Is it really worth sending them back at a cost of $45 billion per year. Remember that the money they return to Mexico is less illegals that need to cross the border. This is a dog chasing its tail scenario that cannot possibly be prevented, let alone curtailedto any degree. The non-Western world would have a field day with any government that took on such a harsh policy and would make reference to the Israeli treatment of the Palestinians for comparison. This is not a vote winner on the world stage.

#8

I normally stay out of this type of conversation.
But…
History Channel ran a series of “Gangland” this weekend.
Hmong, Thais, Mexican, Chinese, etc.
In the country both legally and illegally and terrorizing whole neighborhoods. Killing, drug trafficking, stealing, rape–you name it.
All our fault for opening our door to anyone over the years. And then not doing anything about the illegals.

#9

John,

Our esteemed leaders think they are helping this situation by forcing US citizens to register firearms and have conceal and carry permits. I hope the gangs have all their paperwork filed correctly. :wink: Big arguments of that going on around here, as we had an incident about 30 miles from here yesterday. A guy walked up to the front of a church and shot a minister. Big news is that he didn’t have a permit for the weapon. You just can’t fix stupid and we have a government that proves it every day.

#10

If you want to get rid of illegal immigrants you’ll have to accept higher prices on just about everything. Food, clothing, shelter: they will all go up in price. It’s fun to rail about illegals and I know a lot of people love the idea of building the equivalent of the iron curtain across the mexican border, but the bottom line is—the bottom line. Are those who denounce illegal immigrants prepared to pay more? Because that would be the result.

The easiest way to stop illegal migration is to fine those who hire illegals. The illegals themselves–well most of them are just people trying to make some money and build a better life for themselves and their families. Sure, there are some bad apples, absolutely, but overall they want the same things my ancestors wanted when they came to America. I can’t blame them for that.

The only way to stop it, in my opinion, is to penalize those who hire illegals. Libertarians and free market conservatives hate that idea–if the free market is throwing cheap labor at you, you’d be nuts not to allow it, they say. I wonder if the same people on this site who denounce unions for raising labor costs also denounce employers for hiring illegals? Because it comes down to the same thing–if you want low prices for everyday goods, then what you want is no unions, lots of competition, and cheap labor standing around waiting to be hired.

If you want to stop illegals you need federal government intervention in the labor markets. There’s no way a wall is going to work–the Russians couldn’t stop it. and they had trenches, barbed wire machine guns, and the whole world hated them for it. Do you really want to turn American into a castle? The cheaper, easier, more effective way to stop illegals is to police hiring practices, which means federal government intervention in labor markets. This is no problem for me–I’d be happy to have more regulation of the labor market and I’d accept–not happily–higher prices if I knew American workers were getting a decent living as a result.

Meanwhile getting angry at illegals does not good whatsover. Every time you buy something made by illegal labor–which is practically everyday that you eat something–you’re keeping the problem in place.

#11
John Bouck said:
I normally stay out of this type of conversation. But.... History Channel ran a series of "Gangland" this weekend. Hmong, Thais, Mexican, Chinese, etc. In the country both legally and illegally and terrorizing whole neighborhoods. Killing, drug trafficking, stealing, rape--you name it. All our fault for opening our door to anyone over the years. And then not doing anything about the illegals.
Why would you trust the History channel on this? Its sole aim is to raise ratings by hyping the problem. Sure, there is a problem, but overwhelmingly immigrant gang violence is concentrated in the immigrant neighborhoods. That's just a fact, always has been from the days of irish gangs to jewish gangsters to italian gangsters to russian gangsters. Did the History channel point out that gangs of Hmong are almost entirely terrorizing--other gangs of Hmong? I'm guessing no--they probably suggested that crazed Asian gangsters are hiding in the backyards of you and me.

What did the History Channel propose doing, I wonder? Probably just running another show with scary music.

#12

Hey Mike, I agree with you : ) we should fine the people who hire them, that will go a long way to help stopping it. I have a question though, if you stop illegal people working all the manuel jobs, would it lead to innovative machines to do the work?

Can you say after slavery was ended that we really had a lot of new machinery invented?

tomh

#13

Was there new machinery invented after slavery? Absolutely, but not so much in the crops which slaves grew–not much of cotton picking was industrialized, for example. People were still picking cotton in 1950, for the most part, exactly the way they were in 1850. Most of the innovation happened in places that dropped slavery earlier.

Although over time most likely though more and more jobs will be industrialized, it’s hard for me to imagine a drywall machine that would work in home construction, but that’s why they call it innovation!

#14
mike omalley said:
If you want to get rid of illegal immigrants you'll have to accept higher prices on just about everything. Food, clothing, shelter: they will all go up in price.
Those lower prices you think are the result of poor illegal immigrants toiling in the fields are actually the result of both their employers and the workers violating state and federal labor laws. No work hour limitations, no income tax withholding, no SSI withholding, no minimum wage requirements, etc, etc. Just a great system for ripping off the workers and the system in order to provide cheaper lettuce.

Oprah Winfrey touts a product made by a company here on the north coast. This exposure causes a boom in their sales. Immigration and Customs Enforcement raids them, and over 175 of their 250 employee workforce runs when asked for their papers. No one is arrested, no one is fined, just 175 people scattered to the wind. Two days later all is back to normal. That means the Indian-born thief and his wife who run the sweat shop can go right back to providing his product to all of Oprah’s devotees without interruption.

mike omalley said:
The only way to stop it, in my opinion, is to penalize those who hire illegals. Libertarians and free market conservatives hate that idea--if the free market is throwing cheap labor at you, you'd be nuts not to allow it, they say. I wonder if the same people on this site who denounce unions for raising labor costs also denounce employers for hiring illegals?
I totally agree. And BTW, I put myself in the libertarian and free market group. In the ocmpanies I have run, we obeyed the law 100%. If you didn't have a valid ID, fill out an I-9, and have it approved by our compliance officer, you didn't work. We don't necessarily need new laws, we just need the current laws enforced. In the case above, 100% of the illegal workers should have been rounded up and deported, and the owner and his wife should be in jail and / or facing federal charges.

Instead, an “immigrants rights” lawyer from L.A. is busy filing civil suits against the government and the company for violating the civil rights of these criminals.

And, yes, I’ll pay more for a head of lettuce to help keep the illegal alien criminal element out of our communities.

Happy RRing,

Jerry

#15

Hiring seasonal workers for agricultural jobs has been in existence for more years than I can remember and I am 68 years old. What we have to do is set up and enforce a worker visa program that would allow workers from other countries to enter the US for these back breaking low paying jobs. Our problems start when these workers want to stay and bring in their families once the work is finished. That falls into our immigration policies and is not just visiting to work. Our government needs to have a very strict system to keep track of these workers and make sure they leave the US when their time is up. Our country needs workers for manual labor just like every country in the world does. We can easily regulate this if our politicians wanted to do it. I guess we need someone with big cahojones to step up and be counted.

Big John

#16
mike omalley said:
If you want to get rid of illegal immigrants you'll have to accept higher prices on just about everything. Food, clothing, shelter: they will all go up in price.

The easiest way to stop illegal migration is to fine those who hire illegals. The illegals themselves–well most of them are just people trying to make some money and build a better life for themselves and their families. Sure, there are some bad apples, absolutely, but overall they want the same things my ancestors wanted when they came to America. I can’t blame them for that.


A fine for those who hire illegals is not enough. They pay the fine and they still save money. You have to have serious criminal penalties, including jail time, to stop it.
I’m at construction sites everyday…full of illegals. I doubt the builder is passing the savings on.
Ralph

#17

John,
we have a similar seasonal migration worker scheme whereby workers are flown in from the Pacific Islands for a defined period, under contract to seasonal labour hiring companies that have received government approval. The workers are paid award wages and conditions. At the end of the season, the worker is flown out of the country. Return contracts are dependent on the worker fulfilling hisrequirement as regards visa conditions.

    Too many people have vested interests in keeping the illegals within the country.  I recently saw a documentary whereby an Iraqi national,  without any identifying papers,  escaped from Iraq, via Syria, across to Africa, then South America and then through Mexico into the United States.  He was found working for the U.S. Army.  Remember that he had no papers at all and yet travelled around the world and finished up working for the Army.