Just curious, what scale are the new LGB Amtrak passenger cars ?
LGB Scale.
Fred Mills said:To put it in the GARTENBAHNprofi parlance "G 1.5" i.e. somewhere between 1 (as in 1:32) and 2 (as in 1:22.5). GBp refers to them as the "Amtrak-Chubby".
Just curious, what scale are the new LGB Amtrak passenger cars ?
Compatible with 1/29th.
John Joseph Sauer said:Absolutely NOT! They look like sh*t with the USAT passenger cars and almost as bad with the Aristo smoothsides..lowered or not. They are compatable with the Genesis only!!
Compatible with 1/29th.
I was hoping to be able to add a few to my passenger fleet but they look so horrible with my USAT cars that I won’t buy any more than the one orphan that I now have.
Warren Mumpower said:John Joseph Sauer said:Absolutely NOT! They look like sh*t with the USAT passenger cars and almost as bad with the Aristo smoothsides..lowered or not. They are compatable with the Genesis only!!
Compatible with 1/29th.I was hoping to be able to add a few to my passenger fleet but they look so horrible with my USAT cars that I won’t buy any more than the one orphan that I now have.
Warren,
Would you like to sell the orphan?
I haven’t bought one, since Friedhelm forgot that I was going to do the review. I’m still interested in doing a review.
Silly rabbit, they dont have any scales, only fish and lizards have scales…;)
1/26-7-8-9? depending on what angle your looking at … 
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Fred Mills said:Stiring the pot, again, eh?
Just curious, what scale are the new LGB Amtrak passenger cars ?
What…who; me…?
Seriously; with all the talk of the scale of the Amtrak loco; I was seriously wondering what the passenger cars scaled out as. I figured that they might be seen along with some Aristo heavy weights, or the US Trains stuff if they scaled out “Somewhat” the same.
I’m always looking at operating possibilities, and thought that in a passenger operation, they might find a spot in a train of “Mixed” Amtrak passenger equipment; if they were anywhere close to looking right.
When operating; we need flexability…we don’t always run the same equipment with the same locos.
A passenger operation can be just as interesting as a freight one, if you have the equipment to do it with.
I remember my trip from Montreal to Florida, years ago, and we had some equipment like the LGB stuff (Metroliner style) along with other “Heritage equipment.”
To duplicate such a consist; the scale of the several manufacturers’ equipment should be “Very” close, to look right.
Ken Fillar said:Ken,Fred Mills said:Stiring the pot, again, eh?
Just curious, what scale are the new LGB Amtrak passenger cars ?
Please enlighten us, what are the respective scales of the LGB Amtrak coaches as regards length, width and height.
Is 1:31.3 for the length correct? i.e. 26009.6mm (85ft 4inches) : 830mm (length of LGB item over couplers) = 31.3
Is 1: 28.6 for the width correct? i.e. 3200.4mm (10ft 6 inches) : 112mm (width of LGB item) = 28.6
Here are the basic proto measurements
Length over Couplers…85’4"
Width…10’6"
Height-Rail to Roof Top…12’8"
Top of Rail to Step Level…17"
Top of Rail to Vestibule Floor. … 51 1/2"
Fred, I think I posted these before, but, in case you missed them here is the Amfleet car with a USAT passenger car and the Amfleet car with a GP38-2. Real life height of the 3 are as follows: Amfleet car…12’8" USAT passenger car…13’6" GP38-2 (to top of carbody)…14’6" You be the judge.
Fred Mills said:Fr. Fred,
To duplicate such a consist; the scale of the several manufacturers' equipment should be "Very" close, to look right.
There is a picture with the review in the GBp showing a LGB Amfleet car coupled to a USAT CP Coach. According to that picture the LGB Amfleet car is 8.5% higher the the USAT item. If one would take the lower edge of the diaphragm as a reference the difference is 25%, Passengers would have quite a climb to get from the USAT coach to the Amfleet coach.
Warren,
No offence as I understand what you are showing, but to be fair, the only correct way to compare the “scale” of two models side by side is if a prototype picture of the same units side by side is also shown.
Just like in the other thread at GR that got deleted, simply showing two models is meaningless.
TonyWalsham said:
Warren, No offence as I understand what you are showing, but to be fair, the only correct way to compare the "scale" of two models side by side is if a prototype picture of the same units side by side is also shown.Just like in the other thread at GR that got deleted, simply showing two models is meaningless.
Or better yet, just measure from the top of the rail to the top of the roof of the LGB item and lets see what that computes to.
And while at it, open the door, fold down the step and measure the two references.
Funny.
Just like on GR, someone asks a question and the foamers are all over it like stink on dog poo.
The photos are amazing, seeing as the sizes are so different.
“John Joseph Sauer
Today 16:01:16 MST Compatible with 1/29th.”
Right.
Somebody needs glasses, methinks.
Who excatly is full of what?
Gawd, I love this.
Every stinking time they open their mouths, in goes the foot.
Tony, that was a quick response for Fred. One, I assumed he’s seen both somewhat close up and 2, I couldn’t lay my hands on one immediately so I gave prototype measurements. That should be enough to figure out that there is a scale problem with one of the models…unless someone cannot read measurements any better than a now defunct company.
As Tony lives elsewhere and has no opportunity to see these passenger cars in RL, I came across a couple of pix that will illustrate the problem. Compare the relationship of the 2 cars in these pictures with the models above. You should see that there is a real incompatibility problem.
I’ve got it.
The USAT car should have a roof line slightly above the LGB car.
Thanks Warren.
Tony, comparing the prototype pictures with the model, can you now see why I say “Not on my railroad!” The Amfleet car is just too far off.
TonyWalsham said:
I’ve got it. The USAT car should have a roof line slightly above the LGB car. Thanks Warren.
Tony, Comparing the measurements and the pictures (proto and models) quickly shows that the “Suitable for G” is quite a stretch. Running them as a separate LGB only consist could work, mixing and matching different makes would at best be a “challenge”. What is needed is an Amfleet transition car that tapers from “LGB height” to proper height.
Since both the Genesis and the Amfleet cars were designed under the guidance of LGBoA - at least that’s what I read somewhere - it isn’t fair to blame EPL for this one, unless EPL stipulated “this is the cubage you have to ahere to” As Michael Stephens, the former VP of Marketing at Kalmbach, now the CEO at Athearns, put it after reading some of my comparison charts regarding the LGB RhB equipment: “I had no idea they were that far off”. Michael Stephens is apparently quite a RhB aficionado. Yes, seeing the comparisons - in various forms - to the prototype can be an eye opener for some and a real annoyance to others. 
