Odd indeed, when the “report” promoted by the der kollectormeister never mentioned lgb, epl, or the boys, and did not involve the same bank!
Like saying your new Corvette won’t go up hills because a Topolino (FIATsco 500) won’t.
What a joke.
Curmudgeon said:
Odd indeed, when the "report" promoted by the der kollectormeister never mentioned lgb, epl, or the boys, and did not involve the same bank!Like saying your new Corvette won’t go up hills because a Topolino (FIATsco 500) won’t.
What a joke.
Not only odd, but if the Kollektor would have been interested in providing some real info he probably could have looked up this WIKI entry and be just a bit wiser (?). But it is all optional, including the “Bliss Factor”.
“There are no significant ownership interlinks to Raiffeisen organisations in countries such as Germany or Switzerland, only to those in the east…”
Ah.
Maybe his kompass is kaput?
Ah…the difficulty is in meeting the request for data that is “agreeable by all readers.”
That is what I asked.
Yes, of course, bankruptcy is the answer. And, yes, all was covered earlier. NO MATTER what kind of German to English translation, and who does it, all readers on this site are apparently not going to agree on this cause.
What is credible? Of course, a confession! How obvious: A simple, genuine, easily believed, unrefutable, “We screwed up” from those principle decision makers at pre-Marklin LGB. The strongest of LGB enthusiasts may still be awaiting such an all-affirming confession. I ask, what is it the non-believers need to have to affirm the cause of failure as bankrupcy?
Meanwhile, outside of awaiting some sort of mea-culpa LGB confession, there is no unified conclusion in thinking. Instead, a conspiracy of confusion continues to hang on this site by continued side topics and uncomplementry personal references.
Wendell
Steve Featherkile said:Hans, while you're at it, how do you say that in German? Might be useful on our upcoming trip!
have you ever seen two monkeys trying to copulate with a football?
Dave Healy said:"Hast Du schon mal gesehen wie zwei Affen versuchen einen Fussball zu ficken?"Steve Featherkile said:Hans, while you're at it, how do you say that in German? Might be useful on our upcoming trip!
have you ever seen two monkeys trying to copulate with a football?
As always without any guaranties as to reactions, repercussions or retributions! 
:lol: :lol:
Wendell,
When I was a young lad I was introduced to different takes on various situations, a direct result of the newspapers and magazines which were found in my parents house. Later on I expanded my horizon a bit more and regularly bought different News magazines created in different countries. As time went by I learned that reading four different, widely differing sources and destilling their content on any given matter to the communalities would give you a picture that was 95% accurate to what was actually happening/going on.
Lucky us - in the cyber age - we have even more sources to compare and the basic premise of 95% accuracy still holds. Actually it should have improved, but since some people are habitual liars, it looks like we have to leave it at approx. 95% accuracy!
If we’re not satisfied with that, wellllllllll " … just wait for next week" is a very likely solution to the dilemma! :lol: :lol:
PS There has been enough “off the record” background info to fill a book, none of it reported unless confirmed by a report in the public domain. It’s like that proverbial iceberg.
“Hast Du schon mal gesehen wie zwei Affen versuchen einen Fussball zu ficken?”
I am Sooooo committing this to memory!
Mark Verbrugge said:
"Hast Du schon mal gesehen wie zwei Affen versuchen einen Fussball zu ficken?"I am Sooooo committing this to memory!
Hmmm … just don’t try and pass it off as “essential” German, OK?
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Mark Verbrugge said:
"Hast Du schon mal gesehen wie zwei Affen versuchen einen Fussball zu ficken?"I am Sooooo committing this to memory!
Hmmm … just don’t try and pass it off as “essential” German, OK?
We are having T-shirts and bumper stickers printed. We’ve enlarged your portrait and underneath: HJ says:“Hast Du schon mal gesehen wie zwei Affen versuchen einen Fussball zu ficken?”
Ralph
Ralph Berg said:Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Mark Verbrugge said:
"Hast Du schon mal gesehen wie zwei Affen versuchen einen Fussball zu ficken?"I am Sooooo committing this to memory!
Hmmm … just don’t try and pass it off as “essential” German, OK?
We are having T-shirts and bumper stickers printed. We’ve enlarged your portrait and underneath: HJ says:“Hast Du schon mal gesehen wie zwei Affen versuchen einen Fussball zu ficken?”
Ralph
OhO, now I’m in trouble! BTW wouldn’t you need the original picture with at least 300DPI to print T-shirts??
Let me know if you do, eh! :lol:
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:We haven't worked out the technical details yet! Wait until next week. RalphRalph Berg said:OhO, now I'm in trouble! BTW wouldn't you need the original picture with at least 300DPI to print T-shirts?? :P :O :D Let me know if you do, eh! ;) :lol:Hans-Joerg Mueller said:We are having T-shirts and bumper stickers printed. We've enlarged your portrait and underneath: HJ says:"Hast Du schon mal gesehen wie zwei Affen versuchen einen Fussball zu ficken?" Ralph
Hmmm ..... just don't try and pass it off as "essential" German, OK? ;) :)
HJ-
Apparently, the “melting” of the information iceberg is not the problem, it is who or whom is reporting the run off. I certainly agree, having spent much time in the LGB analysis as well as reading your extensive translated reports, the information is there and has been “there” to affirm LGB mgmt.'s problems and the resulting bankruptcy.
Now, what is the role of Marklin – if there is one intended – in re-establishing the prominence of LGB products in the U.S.?
Wendell
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Dave Healy said:"Hast Du schon mal gesehen wie zwei Affen versuchen einen Fussball zu ficken?"Steve Featherkile said:Hans, while you're at it, how do you say that in German? Might be useful on our upcoming trip!
have you ever seen two monkeys trying to copulate with a football?As always without any guaranties as to reactions, repercussions or retributions!
Fussball?? Isn’t that what we in the US call a soccer ball???
LAO
Wendell,
the mist inside the crystal ball has not cleared yet, so a firm prediction for the future is still hazy. At present, restricted capacity output from Gyor has limited available product. I feel Marklin are more keen to satisfy their burgeoning domestic market before tempting the courtrooms in America. It seems a case of wait and see and expect for something to happen on the legal front in Germany and then use that result to ‘test’ the American arena. While Walthers is supposedly the Marklin U.S. distributor, it is widely believed that they are not able to distribute the LGB-branded product line. This is left to individual dealers to import the line from Marklin and then onsell in the States. Theoretically this gets around any legal problems that may arise in the States, but certainly limits supply to the market.
Historically, I cannot see Marklin being in earnest with a largescale American standard gauge product line. Firstly, the absence from the market, no doubt inspired the likes of Aristo-Craft and USA Trains to increase their market share. The scarcity of LGB track in the market certainly saw some price rises, attibutable solely to a rise in the cost of raw materials(?) Secondly, was Marklin's belated attempt to introduce Gauge 1 (1/32 scale) American standard gauge trains into the market. I feel that this exercise was not rewarding enough for them to concentrate production in this area. To re-establish Chinese production would require a positive market potential, free of legal interference and would take considerable time and capital to set up. At present I do not feel that Marklin is particularly flushed with surplus capital to invest in China production and Gyor would not have the capacity to increase production to include the american line.
Of course, all speculation, but based on sound principles. Marklin cannot afford to overstretch their budgetary constraints. They need to re-establish themselves in their dominant market, Europe, before considering production elsewhere. Look to the investors in the company, the capital venture group. They want a five - seven year turnaround on their shareholder's invested capital. By putting Marklin in a favourable economic position in Europe, they have achieved their goal and thus making the company ripe for resale.
Some are talking of 2012 being a 'rescue' plan year for the American scene. This of course coincides with a potential five-year rebuilding campaign from the capital venture group (2007 - 2012) to make the company a viable proposition for resale. Of course, any resale would really need a potential new owner to actually have an interest in satisfying the American scene, with other than European outline prototype. I believe it will be sometime yet before that magical crystal ball has cleared sufficiently to make a prophecy of any likely 'positive' outcome.Larry Otis said:Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Dave Healy said:"Hast Du schon mal gesehen wie zwei Affen versuchen einen Fussball zu ficken?"
Hans, while you're at it, how do you say that in German? Might be useful on our upcoming trip!As always without any guaranties as to reactions, repercussions or retributions!
Fussball?? Isn’t that what we in the US call a soccer ball???LAO
Absolutely right!
OTOH “football” (in the NA sense) means nothing in Germany, apart from that the “Fussball” will certainly increase the entertainment effect, which in “the more, the merrier” parlance (Steve F thrives on that), is all that really counts. :lol:
Jokes don’t work if you have to explain the detail, at least not in any language I know. Some joke with this explanation "a football is that really odd shaped item that they throw and carry, because it doesn’t roll worth a damn - the cobbler who “invented” it was probably really hung-over and had a really bad day.