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Welfare accountability?

General Discussion
#1

Sorry, I just had to pass this one along! I would so vote for this one!!

THE JOB - URINE TEST
(Whoever wrote this one deserves a HUGE pat on the back!)

Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don’t have to pass a urine test…

Shouldn’t one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their rump- --,doing drugs, while I work. . . … Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?

I guess we could title that program, ‘Urine or You’re Out’. Pass this along if you agree or simply delete if you don’t. Hope you all will pass it along, though. Something has to change in this country – and soon!!!

#2

David,
we have a similar ruling, but the law only applies to persons engaged in essential or emergency services. It does not apply to the majority of taxpayers.

#3

OOPS! Double post

#4

Umm–it’s up to the States to decide–the federal govt. does not make the decisions about allocations of welfare payments. Are you suggestng the federal gvernment should mandate urine tests, thus over-riding state’s rights?

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/welfare

"In 1996, Congress passed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (Welfare Reform Act). The new law eliminated AFDC, placed permanent ceilings on the amount of federal funding for welfare, and gave each state a block grant of money to help run its welfare program. For example, under the 1996 law, federal funds may only be used to provide a total of five years of aid in a lifetime of a family. Another significant change was the complete exclusion of legal aliens from receiving any SSI benefits. The passage of the Contract with America Advancement Act of 1996 further narrowed the number of people allowed to receive SSI disability benefits by requiring that drug addiction or alcoholism not be a material factor in their disability.

The law governing entitlement and benefit to any one of these welfare programs is complex. For individuals or families involved with more than one of them the situation is even more so. Federal law applies to federal benefits like SSI and in some respects, to federally funded benefits administered by the states, as AFDC used to be and Medicaid remains. Both federal and state programs must comply with Constitutional standards in setting eligibility rules and procedures for applying them. "

If it were up to me, I would ban all urine tests-- I really don’t care if someone’s high or not, as long as they do their job the right way. If tey dont, they should be fired. Urine tests strike me as unconstitutional

#5

Why are you worried about welfare for the poor when we have now spent several trillion dollars in welfare for the rich?
Ralph

#6
mike omalley said:
Umm--it's up to the States to decide--the federal govt. does not make the decisions about allocations of welfare payments. Are you suggestng the federal gvernment should mandate urine tests, thus over-riding state's rights?

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/welfare

"In 1996, Congress passed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (Welfare Reform Act). The new law eliminated AFDC, placed permanent ceilings on the amount of federal funding for welfare, and gave each state a block grant of money to help run its welfare program. For example, under the 1996 law, federal funds may only be used to provide a total of five years of aid in a lifetime of a family. Another significant change was the complete exclusion of legal aliens from receiving any SSI benefits. The passage of the Contract with America Advancement Act of 1996 further narrowed the number of people allowed to receive SSI disability benefits by requiring that drug addiction or alcoholism not be a material factor in their disability.

The law governing entitlement and benefit to any one of these welfare programs is complex. For individuals or families involved with more than one of them the situation is even more so. Federal law applies to federal benefits like SSI and in some respects, to federally funded benefits administered by the states, as AFDC used to be and Medicaid remains. Both federal and state programs must comply with Constitutional standards in setting eligibility rules and procedures for applying them. "

If it were up to me, I would ban all urine tests-- I really don’t care if someone’s high or not, as long as they do their job the right way. If tey dont, they should be fired. Urine tests strike me as unconstitutional


I only would agree with the proposal IF they welfare payments were issued from the Federal coffers, directly or indirectly.

The right of employees to refuse to submit to random drug testing stops when they punch their time card when going to work. If the business has the policy and they do not wish to be tested, they are not being forced to work at that company.

#7
Ralph Berg said:
Why are you worried about welfare for the poor when we have now spent several trillion dollars in welfare for the rich? Ralph
Bad behavior in one area illustrating other bad behavior, but both are bad.

If the governments continue to “tax the rich” more jobs will be lost and of course that increased cost will be passed on to the consumer, rich or poor. For this economy to turn around, government spending must be restricted to it’s Constitutional limits of patents, international trade, border security, the mint, post roads and mail, navy etc…

Since the USA is near the top tax rate for business, that needs to be lowered to encourage growth and new jobs.

I file a 1040 form to the IRS every year as required by law, and I use TurboTax, may I be Treasury Secretary? I can’t possibly do any worse than what is happening now.