Jack, 
Are you a bit short of ācleverā answers today? :lol: :lol: May I suggest? ā¦ go grab your NEWQIDA car and amuse yourself. 
Want to learn how to build your own?
Paul
Ah, Swabian, eh?
At least now we understand more clearly your lack of understanding.
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:You seem to be having much more fun with yours!
May I suggest? .... go grab your NEWQIDA car and amuse yourself. :P :D ;)
Naturally! Arenāt I having more fun than you most of the time?
BTW it is a delight to point out the finer differences between a nicely designed/produced item (distinct from āto scaleā ) and a cheap knock-off. Especially since some, on either side of the pond, were under the illusion/impression that the NEWQIDA stuff came out of LGB moulds.
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Naturally! Aren't I having more fun than you most of the time? :P :DBTW it is a delight to point out the finer differences between a nicely designed/produced item (distinct from āto scaleā
One cannot account for peoples opinions. I had posted on both sides of the pond that they werenāt LGB molds on Oct 27.
Jack Barton said:
Close examination the the Newqida RhB box car and the tank car shows that while they are close copies they originate from new molds, not the original LGB molds.My text from GSM:
For an initial report I grabbed the tank car (green āDBā) and the Rh. B. style box car. While these two pieces are very closely copied from original LGB they are produced from NEW MOLDS. (i.e. NOT the original LGB molds!) Almost every part is dimensionally different by around .1 mm plus or minus, some more. There are construction differences such as the box car ventilators being integral with the body rather than a separate part and the tank body has an alignment structure inside the tank near the middle that is absent in an LGB tank. The wood grain of the box body is entirely different including the indifferent way that it ends toward the roof area.
JackB said:Actually they are separate parts, :) the dimensional differences are considerably more i.e. the U-channel on the walls LGB=4.6mm; NEWQIDA=5mm; that is almost 9%.
Almost every part is dimensionally different by around .1 mm plus or minus, some more. There are construction differences such as the box car ventilators being integral with the body rather than a separate part ......
Once I saw the first detailed pictures (Oct 31st) it was quite clear that these had to be different moulds. How much different will be listed in the other thread
At the risk of actually returning this thread to its original purpose, consider these points:
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Bachmann is already working with Aristo to produce items for the european market.
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Bachmannās current product line does not directly compete with Aristoās or USAās, and the brass at Bachmann have consistently maintained that Bachmann is not venturing into the US 1:29 market.
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With the world economy in the shape itās in, discressionary income (the backbone of any hobby pursuit) is in seriously limited supply across the globe. It makes no economic sense for any company to artificially inflate production costs to the detriment of the clients.
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Kader does not own the brands manufacturerd buy Sanda Kan the way it owns Bachmann, Lilliput, etc. As such, thereās no product line to absorb, only manufacturing contracts. Thatās where the value in the deal lay. Change the terms of the contract, the manufacturers will merely look elsewhere. Donāt quote me on this, but Iām fairly certain there are more than two factories in the far east that make plastic products.
Later,
K
Kevin Strong said:
3) With the world economy in the shape it's in, discressionary income (the backbone of any hobby pursuit) is in seriously limited supply across the globe. It makes no economic sense for any company to artificially inflate production costs to the detriment of the clients.
- Kader does not own the brands manufacturerd buy Sanda Kan the way it owns Bachmann, Lilliput, etc. As such, thereās no product line to absorb, only manufacturing contracts. Thatās where the value in the deal lay. Change the terms of the contract, the manufacturers will merely look elsewhere. Donāt quote me on this, but Iām fairly certain there are more than two factories in the far east that make plastic products.
Later,
K
Uh, Kevā¦
discressionary? Might try discretionary.
On 4), do you know how Sanda Kan did (or does) business?
Like, who actually owns the tooling?
Or, how much it costs to produce an item if they retain ownership or if you want to retain ownership?
Oh, and there are more than two companiesā¦or were, anyway.
With āThe Mediaā reporting 65,000 companies going bankrupt in China this year (so far), itās anybodies guess as to who is still in business.
Whom makes AMS and Accucraft?
Whom, I say!
John Bouck said:Isn't that WHO?
Whom makes AMS and Accucraft? Whom, I say!
That is an interesting question. Has it been asked before, or better still has anyone answered the question before ?
I donāt think anyone has stated in public, who actually manufactures AMS plastic models.
Isnāt Accucraft a Japanese company? If so, Iād think that they would be doing their own injection molding in Japan. Whatās stamped on them - Japan or China ?
China on the AMS stuff. Iāve never bought anything new from Accucraft.
AMS/ Accucraft is an American owned company with Chinese Manufacturing capability. The same ownership is for both, in other words, they have their own factory in Shanghai.
Jonathan
So thatās one less in the couple mentioned by Jack Barton.
Quote:
... Uh, Kev.......discressionary? Might try discretionary.
I might, but then Iād deprive you of your fun. No spell check on my work computer.
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... On 4), do you know how Sanda Kan did (or does) business?Like, who actually owns the tooling?
Or, how much it costs to produce an item if they retain ownership or if you want to retain ownership?
No, and Iām fairly certain that kind of negotiation is kept very close to the vest. Suffice to say, Iām sure Lewis has enough experience dealing with the Chinese to know how to word a contract to his advantage.
Quote:Exactly my point. There are plenty of companies who will be more than willing to play ball with a new customer--probably under very favorable terms to the product developer.
... Oh, and there are more than two companies....or were, anyway. With "The Media" reporting 65,000 companies going bankrupt in China this year (so far), it's anybodies guess as to who is still in business.
Later,
K
Bruce Chandler said:You is correct.John Bouck said:Isn't that WHO?
Whom makes AMS and Accucraft? Whom, I say!
Kevin Strong said:
.............No, and Iām fairly certain that kind of negotiation is kept very close to the vest. Suffice to say, Iām sure Lewis has enough experience dealing with the Chinese to know how to word a contract to his advantage.
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And if he doesnāt, thereās always the consumer picking up the tab ā¦ as in brass track, brass track and brass track!
Kevin Strong said:
..........Exactly my point. There are plenty of companies who will be more than willing to play ball with a new customerāprobably under very favorable terms to the product developer.
Ouch! Just imagine the āfunā getting a new crew up to speed, who probably looks for every conceivable āsavingā in order to make at least some money. Absolute disaster as far as quality goes and the Beta-Testers (aka consumers) will be the suckers.
I have to think Kevin is rightāKader is a big company, Aristo and Bachmann are barely competitors, itās not in Kaderās interest to raise prices at a time when consumer spending appears to be down; there are a lot of places in china that can make model trains, and if the Chinese economy is down, why, all the more competition and incentive for the Yankee dollar.