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#1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPWEwYJ6jVw

Double-heading K-27s from two makers - the black one in front is my AccuCraft tin version, and the green-boilered plastic one is from Bachmann. Both performed faultlessly, running for almost four hours non-stop on Trevor’s dual-gauge track [45/65mm].

Here is a view of a good-running AccuCraft K28 with a few Bachmann hoppers at the same location -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEmT90-tKgU&NR=1

Thort you’d like to see, is all.

Best

tac
www.ovgrs.org

#2

You thort right, TAC…Thanx!

#3

Very nice.
I intend to do that very same thing later on in October at a show.
My Backman K and a friends Accucraft K, doubled up.

#4

Nice , and what a layout to enjoy running trains on !

#5

Pretty cool , Tac. An Accu 453 is kind of rare, they did not make many. The first time I viewed the video, I failed to note the tool box on the cab roof.
Is your model still original motor, in order to match up with the high speed Bachmann k27?
Which one had sound?

Jonathan/EMW

#6
jonathan bliese said:
Pretty cool , Tac. An Accu 453 is kind of rare, they did not make many. The first time I viewed the video, I failed to note the tool box on the cab roof. Is your model still original motor, in order to match up with the high speed Bachmann k27? Which one had sound?

Jonathan/EMW


Mornin, Jonathan - nice to hear from you, Sir! Everything about my loco is original, and in the few years I have had it, I have had no problems of any kind. When it runs, it does not run for short excursions, but usually for three or four hours at a time with a short consist of about five cars plus a van, so it’s not a shelf queen by any means, although it is well-loved and cared for, like any favourite model.

Interestingly, starting up the two locos about an inch apart, the AccuCcraft K is microscopically faster than the Bachmann version - but running them together is not problem, as you can see, they both seem to be operating at the same velocitude!

John Willet’s had the Phoenix sound, mine has Sierra sound which is non-operable right now due to the need to install a new battery. My long absences OOC meant that I was not able to run the loco from Tokyo to keep it charged up, and the old battery died on me.

Buying it was interesting - I had looked long and hard for #453 because I liked the dog-house and the cab-roof sammidge/beverage box and had just about given up when this one popped out of the woodwork at a bereavement sale. I won’t say how much I paid, but you would have had a fit.

Best

tac
www.ovgrs.org

#7

Greetings Terry,

I like your locos very much indeed; I also found the videos very watchable. Your chum has a great set up (actually I have seen it before).

Don’t loose too much sleep over the cost of locos here - you know what they say “there are no pockets in shrouds” lol

#8

Hello Terry.

No offence, but according to this posting http://www.gscalemad.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=7246&hl= at GSM both locos in the video you posted are Bachmann K-27’s.

That would explain how two grossly mismatched (speed wise) locos could run together so smoothly.

#9
TonyWalsham said:
Hello Terry.

No offence, but according to this posting http://www.gscalemad.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=7246&hl= at GSM both locos in the video you posted are Bachmann K-27’s.

That would explain how two grossly mismatched (speed wise) locos could run together so smoothly.


Can’t read G Scale mad, as I have been banned from it for about three years, but I assure you that the one in front is my AccuCraft K-27 - the green-boilered version is the Bachmann model belonging to my old pal John Willett, and v. fine it is too.

As I noted, the speed of the two different locos was so close that we were able to run them together - it would not have been possible otherwise. Whinemeal, I’ve put MY movie onto Youtube - the one you see on GSM is prolly Trevor’s. I’ll use the one where they are starting away together - if you can detect any difference in the way they move I’ll eat one with a sauce of your choice. Here y’are -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rItaiC1Gim4

In any case, calling me a liar in public is not the way to make friends and influence people. Perhaps you’ve been in blunt ol’ Oz for too long, mate.

G’day.

tac
www.ovgrs.org

#10

Gee Whiz Terry.

I am not calling you a liar.
I am merely pointing out that a poster at GSM has described the two locos as being both Bachmann K-27’s.
That makes more sense given that my experience is that a stock Accucraft K-27 and a stock Bachmann K-27 are grossly mismatched speed wise. Which is exactly the same opinion Jon Bliese has.

#11
TonyWalsham said:
Gee Whiz Terry.

I am not calling you a liar.
I am merely pointing out that a poster at GSM has described the two locos as being both Bachmann K-27’s.
That makes more sense given that my experience is that a stock Accucraft K-27 and a stock Bachmann K-27 are grossly mismatched speed wise. Which is exactly the same opinion Jon Bliese has.


Please watch MY video of MY AccuCraft loco in front of John Willett’s Bachmann loco taken with MY camera yesterday. Unless I blank, there were only two K-27s there yesterday.

tac

#12

Terry.

This video you posted in your first post above http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPWEwYJ6jVw in which you say there are one Accucraft and one Bachmann K-27 is identical to the one posted at GSM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPWEwYJ6jVw where the poster says they are both Bachmann K-27’s.

Someone has got it wrong.
It could the poster at GSM.
I am only the reporter.

#13

Hi Tac,

Nice video of the 2 K’s running. Are they track powered or running on battery??

Thanks Chuck

#14
TonyWalsham said:
Terry.

This video you posted in your first post above http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPWEwYJ6jVw in which you say there are one Accucraft and one Bachmann K-27 is identical to the one posted at GSM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPWEwYJ6jVw where the poster says they are both Bachmann K-27’s.

Someone has got it wrong.
It could the poster at GSM.
I am only the reporter.


Trevor Goodman, our host yesterday at his track near Leicester, took the first video you saw. He is ‘main131’ and posted the video on GSM. I took the one of them starting off.

There were TWO K-27s there yesterday

Mine is the black model - #453, made by AccuCraft.

The green-boilered version is a Bachmann model, owned by John Willett.

They ran together as you see.

I have called Trevor to ask him to correct his post at GSM - something I cannot do because after offering the opinion that the locobox Garratt was good value for money one of the moderators [chairman of the 16mm Garratt Assoc] accused me of using foul language and I was banned.

tac
www.ovgrs.org

#15
Chuck Cole said:
Hi Tac, Nice video of the 2 K's running. Are they track powered or running on battery?? Thanks Chuck
Chuck, they are both track-powered, running from a large transformer and a single hand-held Crest TE - held in MY hand.

tac
www.ovgrs.org

#16

Hi Tac,

Thanks for the reply. I’m very shocked they can run together with all the posting on how fast the bachman K ran. Perhaps bachman wasn’t as far off the mark with the K as some people have led us to beleive.

Chuck

#17
Chuck Cole said:
Hi Tac,

Thanks for the reply. I’m very shocked they can run together with all the posting on how fast the bachman K ran. Perhaps bachman wasn’t as far off the mark with the K as some people have led us to beleive.

Chuck


Well, I have a confession to make, guys, my AccuCraft loco actually starts moving on around 1.6V. I have actually run it with a PP9 [smoke alarm] battery across the tracks. Maybe that’s why they are so evenly matched. Who knows? [That’s not a question, BTW, but a rhetorical statement of wonderment.]

Whinemeal, I’ll have a word with John and get him to tell me how fast HIS Bachmann K-27 runs, since we only ran toghether, and not separately.

tac
www.ovgrs.org

#18

A completely stock Accu k27- which Tac has kindly asserted his is- will match speed very closely to the Bachmann. That is why I asked the question- to determine the situation. If the Accu was remotored, it would be far slower, but would still work with the Bachmann- though not very well as the Bach 27 would be forced to slow way down and load up the motor near stall.
Accu k27 in unmodified form can and do run very long and well in most cases. Though many have been remotored, it is far from mandatory. Remotoring does allow operation with other Accucraft locos however.

jonathan/EMw

#19
TonyWalsham said:
Terry.

This video you posted in your first post above http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPWEwYJ6jVw in which you say there are one Accucraft and one Bachmann K-27 is identical to the one posted at GSM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPWEwYJ6jVw where the poster says they are both Bachmann K-27’s.

Someone has got it wrong.
It could the poster at GSM.
I am only the reporter.


Tony, I’m afraid it is you who’s got it wrong. It is interesting to see how you can insist that Terry’s locomotive is not his after all… and how speeds are mismatched of things which you apparently never run together! If one has ever seen either or both of these models it is perfectly clear in this video which is which. Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi

#20

Zubi.

Nope.
It wasn’t me that stated both locos were Bachmann K-27’s. That was the poster at GSM.
I merely reported what was written.
I have seen an Accucraft K-27 run and a Bachmann K-27 run. The speeds were grossly mismatched and as Jon Bliese has stated the Accucraft version I have seen could have been remotored so that it ran at the same speed as all the other big brass narrow gauge locos the owner has.
So I guess we are all correct, except the poster at GSM.