Weighing 5# now when it falls you won’t have to worry about fixing it (it will be totally destroyed)! (https://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-undecided.gif)
Greg Elmassian said:
I think Nicolas meant it more along “hey, I did not realize this and broke some stuff, so put weights in yours to avoid what happened to me”…
Ok…I see that but the topic burned me a bit …it’s all good …we only have a few manufactures left so I would rather not downgrade their offerings but rather promote them. Or we could just start another thread on the demise of Large Scale?
Ahh… the “don’t say anything negative” thought… I understand the concept, but Charlie Ro is a smart, grown-up guy, and if negative comments would impact his sales, the “cracked axle” syndrome would have put him out of business long ago.
I think that intelligent conversation, to help people work through issues (and ALL Large Scale products have some issue), inspires confidence that people will be able to work through these issues successfully, AND there’s no hidden secret pitfalls.
I had all kinds of hell on the Aristo forum because the “happy jolly, never post anything negative” philosophy was mandated by the Kool Aid crowd. Clearly that philosophy did not keep the then-largest Large Scale “manufacturer” from bankruptcy.
By the way, I believe the thread on the demise of large scale brought forth more constructive comments and ideas than negative ones.
Greg
Right on Greg! (https://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-wink.gif)
Greg Elmassian said:
Yes these are Ted’s pictures that Greg posted and I have done this and pulled over 60 ft. of cars at a train show and gone thru aristo’s wide switch with no problems. Thank you Ted.
Richard
Here is the video showing the fall. Watch if you don’t get anxiety watching trains fall.
So Richard, we all believe you, of course at the show I’ll bet you did not have a curve on the grade like Nicolas, and definitely did not stop and start your train on that curve!
Greg
I don’t want to appear negative…but…that construction site in the video, looks more like a “Roller-coater Ride”. I know that everyone sees a model railroad through different eyes…
I think trying to run a long train like that, on a layout like that, is just asking for the results shown in the video.
Use this video as a warning to any new LS modellers, so that they don’t make the same mistakes.
Bash me all you want for my comments, but…somewhere along the line, “Common Sense”, or experience, was not involved in that design.
Fred Mills
I think I’ll ask Nicolas what the grade is there, rather than try to figure it out by looking at a distorted, wide angle camera up in the air! (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-laughing.gif)
I’m suspecting the camera is making it look a lot worse than it is. Maybe Nicolas can post some pix at track level.
Greg
Given the confines Nicolas had to work within, I think he has done a fantastic job on the layout. Moreover, he is doing a good job of learning how he can make more challenging trains work on it, too.
-Ted
The cars stringlined, probably because of the stop and then the start. There is a lot of tension on the lead cars to get a long train to start moving.
An elevated railroad would be kinder on my knees, but since my railroad is mostly ground level, when I have such an accident, there isn’t a fall after the derailment. Yes, some kind of railing or netting would be a good idea.
Fred Mills. said:
I don’t want to appear negative…but…that construction site in the video, looks more like a “Roller-coater Ride”. I know that everyone sees a model railroad through different eyes…
I think trying to run a long train like that, on a layout like that, is just asking for the results shown in the video.
Use this video as a warning to any new LS modellers, so that they don’t make the same mistakes.
Bash me all you want for my comments, but…somewhere along the line, “Common Sense”, or experience, was not involved in that design.
Fred Mills
There was an effort to assist, but I realized it was a waste of my time when he told us his videos were 2 weeks old. There was one point when he let us catch up and I smoothed out a track design, but mostly he was on his own, by choice.
The train the track is on is very level. There is a visible dip from the side in the spot over the rain garden due to the deck blocks sinking a bit since it was built. I have propped them up a bit but will need to do a better job. I have attached a track plan showing the areas of grade and marking the spot where the train was moving when it fell over.
I did post my entire track plan and installation plan before I began initial construction, and also before I began adding more. I took all the feedback that was given to me. I was very appreciative of the feedback I had for the one section I had planned and am quite glad I changed it as it opened up much better options and has resulted in a much smoother run.
Per the comment that it looks like a roller coaster for now I have accepted that with everything supported it will be like the entire layout is running on a large viaduct. Its why I painted all the PVC posts and the PVC boards a concrete/stone grey. Over time areas of it will have landscape built up to hide the posts and to allow it to appear more like it is on level ground.
When I first started out I was only going to do 8 foot diameter curves, but after more research I realized per a lot of advice to go for bigger. I had to compromise between all the criteria for my plans to build and settled on 10 foot.
So, if someone had ASKED about that track before ASSuming it was a roller coaster we would not have to have wasted this time insulting Nicolas’ efforts?
Anyway, looks like the combination of the friction of the train and starting it on the curve as well as the basic issue of the intermodals being very light for their length was the issue.
I would not have written this post this way except how many times have I been accused of being too harsh on a newcomer?
Merry Christmas!
Greg
Nicholas said; snip- “I was very appreciative of the feedback I had for the one section I had planned and am quite glad I changed it as it opened up much better options and has resulted in a much smoother run.”
You’re welcome.
I’m not aware that you said anything negative John.
Please note the references in my post, and correlate with earlier posts.
No correlation with your post.
Regards, Greg
Greg Elmassian said:
I’m not aware that you said anything negative John.
Please note the references in my post, and correlate with earlier posts.
No correlation with your post.
Regards, Greg
I had completely ignored your post, why would you think anything?
I was replying to the first thanks I saw for helping his track plan. I stopped following the thread weeks ago, waiting for the final show. I had spent an hour ‘helping’ only to find out it was 2 weeks late, there was no acknowledging wasting of my time, so I left.
My we are full of ourselves aren’t we?
Sorry, it immediately followed mine… so you were not following it, then you swooped in, gave Nicolas some grief, and then are now mad because I assumed (reasonably) that your response was to me.
OK, you can continue to be po’d and insult me if that makes you happy. Knock yourself out.
Merry Christmas.
Greg
Greg Elmassian said:
Sorry, it immediately followed mine… so you were not following it, then you swooped in, gave Nicolas some grief, and then are now mad because I assumed (reasonably) that your response was to me.
OK, you can continue to be po’d and insult me if that makes you happy. Knock yourself out.
Merry Christmas.
Greg
Swooped in? Not even. edit; an hour and 20 minutes later is a swoop in? Fake news.
Stop playing Thread Cop
I did not give him grief, I explained my actions and was quick to acknowledge his appreciation. That’s all.
I am only answering your wrong assumptions.
C’mon, you guys.