From the “saw it while looking for something else” category, that little Union Pacific 1867 era 0-4-0T+tender sure would make an interesting model, especially with its cab shape.
https://www.wyohistory.org/encyclopedia/cheyenne-magic-city-plains
Too bad I no longer have the health to scratchbuild one or the money to just buy one, which isn’t made anyway.
Hmm…could bash an Aristo 0-6-0 and 2-4-2 into one while grabbing a Bachmann onion smoke stack…
Banta Climax cab on an Aristo Rogers? Aristo C-16 tender with modifications?
Pete Thornton said:
Banta Climax cab on an Aristo Rogers? Aristo C-16 tender with modifications?
Definitely a Rogers as a starting point if I was gonna make it.
Unusual seeing a saddle tanker with a tender, in On3 they call that tender a glover which I copied for my Rosy engine, something to carry the small sound system, it was a fun build, Bill
Unusual seeing a saddle tanker with a tender, in On3 they call that tender a glover which I copied for my Rosy engine, something to carry the small sound system, it was a fun build, Bill
I was in On3 for 10 years and never heard the Glover name, must be a Southern thang …
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Search Glover tender on pinterest and it will bring up the history with pictures by Allen Littlefield
Allen posted these photo’s to the On30 Conspiracy which generated the following questions, along with Allen’s answers:
— In [email protected], “Wayne Essel” <wayne@w…> wrote:
Hey, Oh master troublemaker, what was yer thinkin’ on removing the leaf springs & brakes?
Ahh, funny you should ask! I did it because Glover did it. You must get the Glover book, almost a bible for On30 small loco kitbashing. It justifies many modeling efforts. This style Glover tender had no brakes and no center leaf springs. Glover made me do it!!!?!?!?!?
— In [email protected], “Gary Vejmola” <crazygary@s…> wrote:
Hiya, NYT!! Up to your usual high standards, Sir!! Very nicely done little tender!! Gonna look terrific behind the sweet 0-6-0 of yours!!
BTW, and I’m sure this has been asked before, but what’s your “secret” with regard to rivet embossing? Pounce wheel, or one of them thar really trick NWSL gizmachos?? Hah!
Whatever it is, it sure is workin’!!
I do it the hard way. I measure out and make an initial indentation with a straight pin held in a PIN vise. Original huh? I then lay the styrene sheet on a cardboard backing such as that which comes on the back of a legal note pad. I then use a nail to press the rivet in the initial dent started with the straight pin. Be consistant in your pressure as that determines the uniformity of the size of the rivets. You can always go back and press a little harder where necessary but you can’t make 'em smaller.
— In [email protected], “Dave Wingrove” <dwingrov@r…> wrote:
Again my Baron, looking good! Say, where do you get those nice little coupler mounts or boxes you always seem to have? Are they a detail part or do you make them?
Cheers, Dave
Coupler pockets are Grandt Line Sn3 pockets. Just dandy for the “one true scale”. I will have pics soon after I repair ole #5. Seems like ‘Missy the Monster Cat’ knocked it off the train table and I have already reglued both domes, stack, headlight, front pilot deck, whistle and sand rod activator back in place. Tomorrow I will fix the bell cord. I hope soon I will have it touched up and back in service with the new Glover style tender.
Oh I thought you said On3, that On30 stuff is fantasy. Never mind.
Bill Barnwell said:
Allen posted these photo’s to the On30 Conspiracy
Ahh, I was in that outfit & GW’s On30 group for ages until the demise of Yahoo Groups.
Had lots of posts from those saved in a Yahoo email address different from the one I use for general things & during the winter, even though I had been using that email just 2 days earlier, went and looged in to get a message from Yahoo to the effect that since I hadn’t used that email address for a year they were building me a brand new inbox.
Something like 13 years worth of saved group message digests just gone, evaporated in to the ether.
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Ohh the vengeful fantasies …
John Caughey said:
Oh I thought you said On3, that On30 stuff is fantasy. Never mind.
Say, which of these look more like a modeler’s fantasy, the prototypes, though not 30in gauge, and not all steam, or my model based on Model Power’s HO scale Plymouth DDT which actually has an O scale body?
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/brook2.jpg
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/sksxZM12.jpg
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/ls115.jpg
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/hetc1171.jpg
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/cfp253.jpg (a diesel-ized 0-4-0 frame)
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/cclx0.jpg
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/fwdx002b.jpg
A Plymouth DDT like MP’s is based on, http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/psgx2.jpg
My On30 model, https://flic.kr/p/Geeybn
Though this isn’t the exact prototype I followed for my braced exhaust pipe and muffler, it does show that is a thing on the real deal, http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-c/clcx-D3dsa.jpg
Braced cabs are a thing too, I may yet have to go ye forth and do likewise on some project, http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/cfcxRRA-1.jpg
Anyone for an aftermarket external gravity feed fuel tank? http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/mvcx0.jpg
I wonder what the sideways Mobil oil drum and the 2 milk cans are for: plus, note the class lamps, https://digital.denverlibrary.org/digital/collection/p15330coll22/id/52513
Yeah, when it comes to dividing prototypical and fantasy in the industrial and the narrow-gauge locomotive realm, the line is somewhat arbitrary at best.
And some “On30 Conspiracy” history, the ‘conspiracy’ as told by Bobber Gibbs was that On30 was far cheaper than On3 or On2 & there was a ready made 95% prototypical locomotive in Model Power’s supposedly HO scale Plymouth DDT which when examined had an O scale body very much like Carpenter Steel’s 15ton, 24 inch gauge, units.
And sticking to steam, 0-4-0TT have been a thing in the real world since at least the 1860s.
Were they all foreign?
If it was built by Davenport and sent to the Phillippines, is it a ‘foreign’ loco? https://www.steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=21239
And … a model 0-4-0TT which has the saddle tank over the boiler being not a tank but a cast metal weight is actually prototypical, the UK’s Festiniog 1ft 11.5 in gauge railway did that with several locomotives in the 1860s to 1880s. At least one of which eventually had the weighted fake tank replaced by an actual tank.
As was said previously, when it comes to narrow gauge locomotives, the line between prototype and fantasy is more like an airbrushed haze than black ink.
https://railwaywondersoftheworld.com/festiniog-railway.html
“WELSH PONY”, a saddle-tank 0-4-0 locomotive, with a four-wheeled tender, in service on the Festiniog Railway. It was built in 1867. Some of the early locomotives on the line are still in use, although they have been reconstructed.
additionally, https://www.dailypost.co.uk/incoming/gallery/prince-on-the-ffestiniog-railway-9760579
Sorry Forrest, too much work to follow your thoughts.
It’s my own peeve since so many chastised my 1:24 choice and then claimed the purity of On30!
I know/knew the expense and the frustration of On3.
John Caughey said:
Sorry Forrest, too much work to follow your thoughts.
It’s my own peeve since so many chastised my 1:24 choice and then claimed the purity of On30!
That’s okay, some days I can’t follow my own thoughts.
Or drive.
Or build models.
On really bad days even reading is out, a page of print might as well be paint spatters.
Isn’t mitochondrial disease wonderful.
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1:24 is what I’m using for my G scale. It works okay with the HLW models and the Bachmann Big Haulers.
Makes the 45mm gauge track scale out to pretty much 42 inches, 1066mm, which was in fact used by at least one US railway, the 1991 edition of Carstens’ book Slim Gauge Cars has on page 22 plans for Denver & Intermountain’s wooden hopper car 1311 which ran on 42in gauge track.
Photo caption includes, “Odd 42” track width might induce modelers to substitute 36" gauge trucks. Rounded ends and wide coupler pivot pinpoints traction heritage, sharp curves."
Gee, that sounds a bit like my freelance Willow Creek Traction line invented in the 1980s! Invented as On30 and HOn30 then in early 2000s got its first G scale models!
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