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Trainworld getting out of G?

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#61

Hi Todd Haskins:

You misunderstand. I will not sell my trains to a dealer at 10 cents / dollar. I will eventually, whenever the time comes, give the jewels of my collection to a close friend and the remainder will go to the landfill rather than be taken advantage of by others.

Todd, who is Al Kramer on Ebay and how do I find his ebay store?

Fred,

there no longer is a Dominion of Canada following Prime Minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau’s great accomplishment for having the BNA moved to the Parliament of Canada from the Parliament of England and the subsequent adoption of a new Canadian Constitution by the Parliament of Canada.

Canada is a sovereign state.

Canada is no one’s Dominion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Canada

The transition away from the use of Dominion was formally reflected in 1982 with the passage of the Canada Act, which refers only to Canada. Later that year, the national holiday was renamed from Dominion Day to Canada Day.

Fred,

" I think several of you are cluing in on Norman… " I do not criticize you , so do not criticize me.

Norman

#62

Hi Todd:

Never mind , found it.

Norman

#63

Norman Bourgault said:

Hi John:

Sorry, I can never forgive Hans for this. Just cannot. Tried, but cannot. Been taken advantage of and abused by too many people in my lifetime. Just not going to get financially abused again on my trains. It is not the money. It is the victimisation that pisses me off.

As to the wisdom of life, near death provides great insight not otherwise acquired. Two years ago, almost died in hospital. Then mostly recovered.

Now again, just spent three months in hospital and now recovering in a nursing home. The great upside is I met this absolutely incredible lady in hospital which I would not otherwise have met. A fantastic human being. She dropped by yesterday. Norm is a happy dude.

Joyeux Noel John,

Norman

Norman before any 1:29 scale items go to the landfill, if you would post them here or some site where some of us trying on small budgets to get started, I would be willing to pay a fair price we both can agree on, I just hate to hear of good working items being thrown into a landfill fo no reason other than someone bought them from you and tried to resell them at a way higher price. As they say on the TV show Pawn Stars, what you ask for something and what it actually sell for are 2 different things. Please reconsider just throwing tour things away. Even if they are not “jewels: of your empire, since what I have is absolutely nothing right now, anything that will fit on the track, roll and look like it belongs there will be a " jewel” in my mind. I just cannot wrap my mind around your statements. Sincerely , Norman " Pete" Lassen

#64

Norman, I am not asking you to forgive. Apparently you would rather harbor the resentment and hatred toward Hans. That is your choice. But I, and others, question your idea of just throwing out your equipment when you no longer have need for it. How in the heck is that going to impact Hans in any way? It sounds rather immature to me. There, I said it. I have been dancing around that word for a few posts now. Consider, if someone else told you that they were going to to trash their car, instead of trading it in and not getting a “fair price” for it, what would you think of them?

I do not know Hans, and I am not judging Hans. I commented that I have folks I won’t deal with. I believe that I was in the right, and they were in the wrong. I may be incorrect in my assessment, but that is how I feel. So I understand how Norman feels. I just don’t understand his planned action regarding his feelings.

#65

Norman Bourgault said:

Hi Greg:

A few months later, I wished to re-purchase 3 of the cream Disneyland coaches from Hans for which I had received a trade in allowance of 30.00 for each car with free postage to Hans. Never should have paid for the shipping to Hans myself is another point. Hans’s resale price to me was 300.00 for each cream car. Have it your way. I paid full retail on an Accucraft item so there was no discount on the item purchased on which I had traded in the 9 LGB Disneyland cars at 30.00 each with free shipping to Hans.

The point of the thread is TW apparently will no longer be selling G Scale trains which is a great loss as their pricing was always the retail industry leader although I have also bought items from Gold Coast, Reindeer Pass, RLD and the large dealer on the East Coast which no longer exists whose name I cannot now remember. I bought from these other dealers for the HLW , Accucraft and Bachmann products when their pricing was competitive with TW. Now that apparently TW will no longer be selling G Scale trains, which dealer will keep a limit on the retail pricing and become the next price leader?

Norman

Hi Norman

I do not blame you for feeling cheated.

I would not forgive and forget.

Not only would I never buy from him again I would be sure to leave a Very negative review of his business on yelp.

Not only would you prevent others from being taken by him, But you will cost him future business.

Every time we spend money its like voting.

If enough people vote (Spend) the business stays in business.

If people people don’t buy the business folds and the businesses that do right by their customers will stay in business.

There is only so much money to go around.

Whenever given a choice, Never give money to someone that you do not like!

AS far as the trains VS landfill thing , I think an orphanage may really like to have someone give them a bunch of trains.

#66

I read Normans posts about being taken advantage of when dealing with his trains. Many years ago, when I was into Lionel “O” gauge, I bought some items from the then future owner of The Toy Train Station in Trevose, Pa. He welcomed me into his home and showed off his collection. Then I bought the items I wanted. A few years later, he established his shop in Trevose. I had some stuff I wanted to sell so I brought it to his shop. He asked me how much I wanted for them and I answered with a fair price. He then proceeded to belittle me in front of other customers and staff. That’s when I learned to take selling matters into my own hands and rent tables at train meets.

The bottom line to my story is that he was all nice and cordial when he was just getting started. Then when he was just about the only game in town, he became a legend in his own mind.

Most of us started out in the model railroad hobby buying from hobby shops. At least those of you about my age did so. For me, it wasn’t until later in the '70s that I caught onto the train meets. I realized I could bargain and get better prices. I also discovered mail order. Again places like Charles Ro has much better pricing on Lionel than any hobby shop in the Philadelphia area. The next step was on-line, Ebay, etc.

It is a learning curve with the wallet having more brains than we do.

#67

I don’t know the dealer and have no dog in this topic, but it doesn’t sit right…

Facts; A deal was done and 9 cars were traded in on a purchase. The dealer gave up instant profit for a delayed profit and a chance to make a profit after holding the cars until he could sell them. To me that makes it worth the dealers participation. At this point both sides are happy.

Later The seller decides he wants 3 cars back at the same price he was offered and took. But that would void the original deal. Instead of accepting his earned loss, he makes a stink.

The dealer is innocent, yes he made a low ball offer, but it was accepted. At that point you become responsible for your actions.

The shipping? Part of using cars instead of cash, your choice again.

Choosing to advertise your loss, again your choice.

Claiming to be a victim? Nope sorry you made this bed. Forgive and be Whole.

John

#68

Hi Bob Administator:

Please cancel my log in registration account.

I do not care for the company in your living room.

Initially, this was a great forum. Then the bullies from mylargescale migrated over to here which I note all have the rating of respected or well respected on your forum.

No longer interested in your website.

Thank you,

Norman

#69

This thread has certainly taken an odd twist. It started off innocent enough when I just wanted guys here to know what I was told by an employee at Trainworld.

I don’t know how it turned into a back and forth over a perceived slight from a dealer and what many are offended by and that is throwing a way perfectly good trains when they could help folks enter and enjoy the hobby.

I don’t get it.

Trashing trains and Trainworld getting out of large scale are both sad.

#70

Well…that’s another one lost to the forum.

I must agree with Todd.

#71

I apologize for having an opinion, I am sorry to see Norman leave.

Please explain sir how my theory failed.

I merely left the emotion out of my explanation …

I’m in a 15 Percentile group, I beat an advanced form of lung cancer. My zest for life tends to eliminate drama for facts.

Be Blessed all.

John

#72

Gee, I am now a bully. I have never been classified as such.

Todd, most everything in this thread is sad. Especially someone leaving the group because the group doesn’t totally agree with them.

#73

I will apologize to Todd, Bob, and the forum readers for my part in derailing a informative thread.

I will not apologize for having a lively discussion with someone who posted a comment I disagreed with on principle. I was nice, polite, and offering a counter opinion. It shouldn’t have made anyone upset except Todd whose thread was derailed. If a little lively but polite discussion isn’t permitted in the living room then you haven’t seen my family get togethers.

#74

I have been following this thread.

I would not have the same final “direction” as Norman, but I would indeed be pissed.

Do I think that there is bullying here? No,

BUT

There were personal comments made that are outside the rules of this forum. You may think that Norman’s stance was immature, but it is not right to make these personal comments.

When you cross the line, things tend to snowball, or get exaggerated or feelings get so hurt people want to leave.

So, maybe an apology is in order.

Just my 2 cents.

Greg

#75

Well, I do thank Greg for his last post. It made me go back and reread my responses to make sure I didn’t name call or even insinuate such or belittle or berate. I believe that lively discussion and differing opinions can be had and expressed but must be done with a sense of politeness and respect. I thought/hope I did that, if not, then I do sincerely apologize to Norman. It was never my personal intent to attack him, just to offer a different perspective.

#76

I was the one Devon. I can admit that.

I said, or maybe I should say that I meant, that his decision sounded immature to me. I had made a few posts where I tried very hard not to say that word, and I should not have posted my post where I did say that. I did not not mean to insult Norman, just merely point out that his decision did not sound rational to me. I am sorry that I was offensive in my post.

#77

No need to apologize to me for derailing this thread. I know people personally who have reacted the same as Norman when they have been slighted. I think he should have researched what he was selling before offering it and the dealer shouldn’t have taken such advantage of him.

I still don’t get people who cut off their nose to spite their face. Oh well. It is sad to see someone storm out but if that is what he wants to do…

#78

Todd Haskins said:

This thread has certainly taken an odd twist. It started off innocent enough when I just wanted guys here to know what I was told by an employee at Trainworld.

I don’t know how it turned into a back and forth over a perceived slight from a dealer and what many are offended by and that is throwing a way perfectly good trains when they could help folks enter and enjoy the hobby.

I don’t get it.

Trashing trains and Trainworld getting out of large scale are both sad.

I think most of us are are bummed out about hearing Trainworld is no longer going to carry Large Scale.

When ever we as a community lose a low cost source of trains, we all lose.

Maybe someone will try to fill the void left by Train World.

But, it is just as likely that the remaining dealers will see this as a sign to bump up prices a little.

I don’t think anyone was being a bully.

I think we actually being the supportive and empathetic to Norman.

The only thing most (If not all ) were disagreeing with, was the idea that trains were destined for a landfill.

There is no way for a statement like that not to strike a nerve on any train forum.

When ever people have a discussion and someone says something controversial (Destroying Trains) people are going to want to respond.

It’s just human nature.

We were not being bullies.

We were just being human.

As far as Train World leaving Large Scale, This may be the time to get the stuff we wanted to get from them.

I usually see the Guys from Train World when I go to the Train Shows at The New Jersey Expo Center at Raritan Center in Edison, New Jersey.

They are having a Train Show there next weekend.

I may have call Train World during the week to see what Large Scale goodies they are going to bring to the show.

Even if the show price is the same (It’s usually a LOT Cheaper) at least there will be no shipping cost.

#79

But, the part I am a bit confused about is Trainworld is still advertising pre-order, large scale trains. If they are advertising that we can order something that will not be in for months, sometimes for many months, doesn’t that suggest that maybe they aren’t planning on getting completely out of large scale just yet? Or is it one of those things where they will see how much money they can make, and then cancel the unfilled orders when they decide that now is the time to pull the plug?

#80

Todd Haskins said:

No need to apologize to me for derailing this thread. I know people personally who have reacted the same as Norman when they have been slighted. I think he should have researched what he was selling before offering it and the dealer shouldn’t have taken such advantage of him.

I still don’t get people who cut off their nose to spite their face. Oh well. It is sad to see someone storm out but if that is what he wants to do…

Then so be it!