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Trainworld/ Bachmann new Products.

General Discussion
#1

I just got an email from Trainworld regarding Bachmann new G scale products for preorder and it looks like they may be picking up a few items that Aristo had such as the famous Eggliner for $129.99 and a new engine a 2-6-0 for $679.99 but the most exciting is a new Speeder for $85.

I wonder if the Speeder will be 1:20 or small like the USAT version?

They also have new Thomas stuff.

When others are shutting down it is nice to see some new products or at least the popular older ones being picked up.

#2

I wonder if the ‘speeder’ is Winston, announced a while ago,

and the 2-6-0 is the repainted Spectrum Moguls, also announced previously, and marked “coming soon” on the B’mann web store. At $1,250, the $679 from Trainworld would make sense.

I suspect the only ‘new’ item is the Eggliner, which has also been discussed here.

#3

Nothing really “New”. Just different paint, and graphics…nothing to attract most Model Railroaders already deep into the hobby.

The 2-6-0 locomotive is 1:20.3, that is if it is a new run of the only Mogul of that type that B’mann produced…the other one was known as the “Industrial Mogul”.

I guess if you just want to add to a layout that is basically animation in your garden, for young children, then the speeder and eggliners are a “Big Thrill”. The eggliners do offer a chance to acquire power trucks for other projects. It might be good information, if the eggliner power trucks are reproductions of the power trucks used under Aristo Diesels of the past. They may be cheap copies with cheap motors like B’mann used to use in handcars and street cars…beware…or…OR…please someone…do a review of this stuff and tell us all if the power trucks are the same…no-one has, so far…

Fred Mills

#4

Winston is cool looking but no the Speeders look just like the ones USAT produced which I think they borrowed from K Line.

#5

The speeder, and “Winston”, appear to be based on the old MDC power truck of long ago…used by K Line, and USTrains for their speeders of the past. As I say, “Appear” to be; I haven’t got one in my hands. That power truck was used for several small critters, produced by MDC in years gone by. (MDC at one time was planning on producing a Shay…it was seen in some ads they put out…was it ever actually produced…I’m not sure that it was) (MDC= Model Die Casting) The Shay may have been planned to use the same power trucks.

MDC moulds are also being used by Piko for their ore cars, 2 bay hopper cars…and others. They were never very popular with a lot of LS hobbyists, due to them being 1:32 scale, rather sparse on detail, and very light in weight. Their trucks were never known as being very robust in design either…but some swear by them as they were rather less expensive than other brands.

#6

So you think the speeder looks ike this ?

#7

That is my guess…but I welcome anyone to correct me, as I am not the authority on this or anything else…!!!

#8

Trainworld says they look like this…

#9

That’s it Joe and it has a blinking light on the roof.

I just wonder if it will be small like the USAT close to 1:29 or even 1:32 or if it will be more in keeping with the larger 1:20 Bachmann spectrum stuff?

#10

They may be cheap copies with cheap motors like B’mann used to use in handcars and street cars…beware…or…OR…please someone…do a review of this stuff and tell us all if the power trucks are the same…no-one has, so far…

Fred Mills

Fred someone might do such, but I would guess they will have to be here first.

If I read Todd Haskins correctly

I just got an email from Trainworld regarding Bachmann new G scale products for preorder and it looks like they may be picking up a few items that Aristo had such as the famous Eggliner for $129.99 and a new engine a 2-6-0 for $679.99 but the most exciting is a new Speeder for $85.

Dave,and I have not needed to edit this post (http://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cool.gif)

#11

They are indeed the K-Line speeders, recently sold by USAT, and they are 1:32, way too small on 1:20.3

Here is the USAT page on it: http://www.usatrains.com/usatrainsspeeder.html

Here’s George Schreyer’s page on the speeder from 2010: http://www.girr.org/girr/tips/tips11/usa_speeder_tips.html

Greg

p.s. Glad I bought my eggliner for $48 from Aristo in their going away sale.

#12

So with Bachmann (Kader) releasing the Aristo eggliner and the K Line speeder, then maybe there is some slim chance we will see more products coming out that had gone away.

The question about the motor block in the eggliner is a good one.

#13

Given Bachmann shelving future production of the 1/20 Spectrum line due to diminished demand, I really wouldn’t be surprised if they did indeed put tentative feelers out into 1/29 just to see if there is any demand for it. Kader wants sales and they don’t give a stink what scale it is. If Kader finds sales in 1/29 you can fully expect to see them move into 1/29 with Aristos old line.

#14

If, and that is a big if. Kader would redesign the power units on the Pacific, Mikado and Consolidation, they could have sales just in replacement power trucks for those locomotives. As well as sales of the locomotives themselves.

I know that folks keep looking for the modern Aristo power. So, again if they would fix the issues with those diesels and bring them back, they could have sales in power trucks for them, as well as sales for the locomotives, same as the steam locomotives.

#15

Well, redesigning the power truck would cost a lot in engineering, all the components needed and then time to work out the kinks.

You must admit that Bachmann’s track record with gears is terrible.

Not redesigning and just producing more makes the most sense, from a cost standpoint, and also from a replacement parts standpoint.

I’m no fan of the design, mind you, but just looking at this objectively.

Greg

#16

Greg, yes. But supposedly, I mean, we were told, that Aristo had done all the redesign and that new power trucks had been built and tested. If that wasn’t a lie, like so much we have heard, then they just need to be made. There was a picture of one of them in one of the last Aristocraft Insiders. So I tend to believe that they were at least designed to some degree.

#17

I’ve been following Aristo for years.

I have never heard that the motor block was redesigned. I think you are misinterpreting things like the change of the motor block in the 0-4-0, or possibly the change in the axles in the last run of SD45’s.

Love to see the picture you are referring to, and the text that went with it.

Greg

#18

I would not be surprised if Kader does indeed have an updated design, at least on CAD. CAD is cheap. Probably had it for years expecting Polk to ante up which of course he never did.

#19

When my hard disk got fried, I lost all the names to my files. Dave Bodner recovered most of my files, but without names. I have some of the insiders, but I do not know what ones. I will have to wade through them and see if I can find the one I am thinking of.

#20

Dave, in the spirit of understanding, are you sure the “redesigned” 0-4-0 block isn’t what you are thinking of?

The old 0-4-0 was just a couple of axles in a frame with poor “bearings”:

But it was converted to have the socket and the “prime mover” gearboxes:

(you can see the motor between the slots, and the retangular raised portions house the prime mover gearboxes)

On the other possibility, the new “D cut” wheels, only delivered in the SD45 I believe were in Insider vol 21 number 4. This was a modification to the end of the axle and the wheel only, gearbox unchanged.

As a side note, anyone that has volume 21 numbers 2 and/or 3 I would appreciate a copy… not sure they were made.

Greg