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To facebook or not to facebook...

Bob McCown said:

Add another vote here to FB Purity. Cleans FB up a lot.

One thing we have to accept is that the younger generation IS using Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. We can’t grumble in one breath that its hard to get new blood into the hobby, and in the next breath say “What’s the matter with a good old phone call?” or similarly dismiss out of hand the tools that the younger generation are using to communicate with.

I personally don’t care about Facebook only LSC. As for the younger generation they don’t care about it either. If they wanna play with model trains they will do such. The younger generation has moved on to other apps because their parents have taken over their domain and wrecked it !

This post ahhh never mind

Actually if you ask young people today (ages 12-30) Facebook is ancient. They are all on Snapchat, Instragram and Reddit. According to them only “old people” use Facebook…

And this comes from the guy that tries to teach these young ones…

I Agree with Rooster and Craig. Younger folks are moving away from Facebook. More time on Snapchat, Instagram and Reddit. Oh and Tinder.

As an ‘old person’ - not very well versed in the ways of the internet - I thought it was time I joined FB as another way of comunicating with my friends and seeing all the great content on the various train and modeling groups.

All went well with the somewhat complicated (to me) sign-up process and I was duly registered with an account. However, I then got an email asking for me to provide a telephone number as a security check and because there was no mention of the requirement for a phone number in the initial invitation to register - I declined to provide one.

From a quick google search, it seems this is a significant problem for a number of people and there are several sites that will provide a ‘fake’ number to satisfy FB requirements.

So - since I’m not happy with providing something that is fake - my account was disabled without my ever having posted anything at all.

Now the funny thing is - FB keep sending me emails telling me I have more friends than I think on FB and that I should import my email contacts to get in touch with them!

Oh well - as others have said - maybe FB’s time is passing and I should look for some alternatives?

Bob McCown said:

We can’t grumble in one breath that its hard to get new blood into the hobby, and in the next breath say “What’s the matter with a good old phone call?” or similarly dismiss out of hand the tools that the younger generation are using to communicate with.


Communication…

Was in the local library and spotted a new book on the New Books rack

"How To Communicate with the Younger Generation"'

I picked it up…Woman next to me said

“Don’t bother…do what I do…Just grunt back.”

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Craig Townsend said:

Actually if you ask young people today (ages 12-30) Facebook is ancient. They are all on Snapchat, Instragram and Reddit. According to them only “old people” use Facebook…

And this comes from the guy that tries to teach these young ones…

Each and every one of those forms of communication IMHO fall into ‘Instant Gratification’. In 30 seconds or less it is old news. There is no ‘staying power’ to any of it. IMHO all the forms of ‘Social Media’ are nothing more than the old "Party Line’ phone lines of old…except these are huge multi-national ‘gossip channels’. I find Facebook, and all the others to be very shallow.

It is interesting that the company I work for put out a company policy that they preferred folks not to involve themselves in Facebook (this is back in 2006), it was considered a ‘Security Risk’. I believe that over time their evaluation was proved to be valid. I have never had a Facebook account, and never will. Listening to my children and grandchildren who do only affirms my decision to not get involved. The down side is that one of my sons will not use email to sent photos of my grandchildren, only Facebook. That is my loss, and I accept that. That same daughter-in-law NEVER LEAVES FACEBOOK. If you are having a face to face conversation with her, she will interrupt the conversation to post on Facebook.

Bob is correct in his evaluation that we do need to communicate on their lever, however for some of us it is extremely difficult to be that shallow.

For me, FB is just a way to keep in touch with family and life long friends. Share our activities and pictures of our cats doing stupid things. Kidding and joking around with each other.

I tell my RR buddies, both real and on line, if they want to be “Friends”, that is what they will read if I accept the friend request. If a family member gets carried away sharing stuff, I

simply “unfollow”, or once in a while, “block”. Lately my brother has been interested in my train activity, so I started to post vids and pics regarding that. Other family members think it’s cool.

That’s all FB is for us, an electronic reunion of sorts.

Craig Townsend said:

… Facebook is ancient. They are all on Snapchat, Instragram and Reddit.

Reddit isn’t ancient? It has been around and open for public use at least as long as Facebook, maybe even a year or more longer.

Forrest Scott Wood said:

Craig Townsend said:

… Facebook is ancient. They are all on Snapchat, Instragram and Reddit.

Reddit isn’t ancient? It has been around and open for public use at least as long as Facebook, maybe even a year or more longer.

I think what Craig means (and the way I read it) is Facebook is ancient in the eyes of the younger generation. Reddit is one of the new places to hang out.

There are still plenty of kids doing Facebook. It might not be their first choice. Facebook seems to be more popular with my generation and older. Thats a good thing because my generation is the generation with younger kids. I wont go into the FB thing since most know where I stand on the matter. If you want to spread the hobby, social media, especially Facebook is the best way to do it. Perfect example is that video that went viral, someone posted of the train plowing. It only took a day or so to go viral and brought a increase of traffic and membership on the FB train pages. I have videos and pictures that have gotten over 7k views and shared over 100 times within a few days. I like seeing that because it shows what I am doing on my page has paid off. Creating a FB page for my RR has been well worth it. I get people messaging me or commenting on how they can get started int the hobby or switch over to live steam. I have never seen the forums get that many hits in a year. for me I enjoying seeing pictures and what people are running at the moment. Yes forums are better for build logs and projects but it only reaches out to a limited number of people. Another great thing is posting pictures. It doesn’t get easier and you can copy and paste those pictures into the forums. As far as people (cough cough Bob) say there is a security risk, that,s a bunch of BS. (you can argue with me all day about it but unless you show me physical proof don’t waste my time) I look at my FB and there is nothing there that is at risk, no SS num, bank account num, etc…Just set your privacy settings properly, watch what you post and your fine.

Anyway if your looking for a way to get more people involved and interested FB is the way to do it today. I find it is an easy way to look back and reflect on my progress Its an easy way for me to just pull my phone out and show someone that has an interest and want to know what our hobby is about, without me telling them to go google such and such. Most will forget or not be bothered with it.

One more thing. Yes things get lost easier on FB but that’s only because there is a much larger num of people on it and posting. You go to the train ages with less people and the topics stay much longer vs the pages with a high membership. Forums we don’t get nearly the number of people posting on FB so the forum topics don’t disappear to the next page as fast. Its nice always seeing new things on FB, where as the forums, a lot of the topics go stale with no new posts or very little activity. Either way they are both great tools for different reasons.

Morning Shawn,

Your posting has intrigued me, if the younger generation is not using Facebook, what are they using? This sounds like another fad I avoided like MC Hammer Parachute Pants. All the best to you and the family, enjoy the Holidays, hope you don’t have to work too much. We are in Carlyle for the Holidays and will get back south just as soon as it is over.

Ric Golding said:

Morning Shawn,

Your posting has intrigued me, if the younger generation is not using Facebook, what are they using? This sounds like another fad I avoided like MC Hammer Parachute Pants. All the best to you and the family, enjoy the Holidays, hope you don’t have to work too much. We are in Carlyle for the Holidays and will get back south just as soon as it is over.

Thanks Ric family and everyone is doing well. I enjoying seeing your adventures on Jan’s FB page. Looks like you two are having a blast and enjoying retirement. As Desiree says they are so cute together.

Kids these days are using snap chat, Whats App, instagram and Twitter. They still use FB but not as much now that newer things are out. I have tried most of them but for hobby purposes FB seems to be the best and allows you to do more.

Have a Happy Holiday and safe travels. Im lucky I got Vacation approved for Christmas. Ill have most of the Christmas break home with everyone.

Shawn, the only response I can give you on security is that the company I work for, one of their prime services is providing security over Government data (TS/SCI). So I tend to take their opinion seriously when they tell me that a particular piece of software is a security risk. All I can say is the older I get, the less I believe there is ANY such thing as security on the internet.

Bob Cope said:

Shawn, the only response I can give you on security is that the company I work for, one of their prime services is providing security over Government data (TS/SCI). So I tend to take their opinion seriously when they tell me that a particular piece of software is a security risk. All I can say is the older I get, the less I believe there is ANY such thing as security on the internet.

I just think you are risk no matter but less likely on FB since we don’t give much info like we do when we bank online etc… the risk is more, someone posting something that could put the company at risk or that person. Maybe using FB on company computer but for personal use on your personal PC or smart phone you are fine. I just think your Co. is using a scare tactic. Im in LE and the only thing we are told is just be careful what you post.

caveat, Be-a-ware !

https://www.lifewire.com/dangers-of-facebook-oversharing-2487777

or even . . . .

“…being a little dramatic, but only to make the point that you give up a good deal of privacy just by joining Facebook…

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2016/06/29/facebook-location-tracking-friend-games/#3872332735f9

and…

5 years ago from MIT,

“This is the first time the world has seen this scale and quality of data about human communication,” Marlow says with a characteristically serious gaze before breaking into a smile at the thought of what he can do with the data. For one thing, Marlow is confident that exploring this resource will revolutionize the scientific understanding of why people behave as they do. His team can also help Facebook influence our social behavior for its own benefit and that of its advertisers. This work may even help Facebook invent entirely new ways to make money.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/428150/what-facebook-knows/

Hmm, I wonder where they are now with that,

His team can also help Facebook influence our social behavior for its own benefit and that of its advertisers.

Doug Cannon said:

caveat, Be-a-ware !

https://www.lifewire.com/dangers-of-facebook-oversharing-2487777

or even . . . .

“…being a little dramatic, but only to make the point that you give up a good deal of privacy just by joining Facebook…

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2016/06/29/facebook-location-tracking-friend-games/#3872332735f9

and…

That can be said for anything. The key is to watch what you post and do on FB as well making your settings secure. As long as you have your privacy settings are set properly no thief will see your post. The only people that will see what you post are those that you selected, usually the people on your friends list. Where you can get into trouble is if your page is public, then the world can see it. Same thing for train pages, most, you have to be a member. As long you are careful at what you post you are not at risk on FB. Just dont play those silly games or say to the worl you are leaving for vacation on such and such date lol… You can turn off the location both on FB and for the pictures you take from your phone. Again as long as you don’t have it open to the public you are fine. Even your friends cant share your post if you have it set that way. You basically have full control on who can see what.

Ric Golding said:

Morning Shawn,

Your posting has intrigued me, if the younger generation is not using Facebook, what are they using? This sounds like another fad I avoided like MC Hammer Parachute Pants.

My boy could use a pair of MC Hammer pants if they still make them?

GRANDPA RIC …re read this tread twice “as recommended by others” the answers you seek you will eventually find.