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To facebook or not to facebook...

I check Facebook once a day to find out what family and a few very close friends are up to. My 86 year old mother has more “friends” than I do (https://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-tongue-out.gif).

My daughter thinks that “pictures of the grandkids” are something that is snapped on her cell phone and shared on Facebook. Since my family is spread across the country we don’t get to actually see each other all that often. As I personally think that the telephone is evil and I hate using it, FB ends up being a good medium to keep up with each other.

The only group I belong to is the one for the train club my husband and I are members of, they post a lot of pictures and videos of shows and events we do.

Sophie B

Dismal Creek Railroad

I use it mainly to keep in touch with a few guys I was in the service with. One’s in Florida, another in Kentucky and another is in Utah. We get together once a year in Branson, MO.

An addendum; In the earlier days I used to get the opposite feeling when told on company website I should ‘follow on’ FB. I’d look for a new company!(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-laughing.gif)

So Cliffy, how does your poll tally up, so far?

My feel is it’s a social tool more than a modeler’s, but there are exceptions. None of those exceptions have lured me in. Can’t let them cut into my Solitaire Time!(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-tongue-out.gif)

Ditto… the benefit to time spent ratio is just too low… maybe when I retire and have nothing else but time. Greg

Korm Kormsen said:

in my opinion Facebook is just another nail in the coffin… of my avayable time.

i don’t even read all the interesting railroad- or modeling foras frequently, because that eats time i could better use to actually DO something.

as far as i’m informed, facebook has two main flaws: actual information seems to be mixed with too much background noise, and no orderly memory.

so - nothing for me.

I think I know where I’m at for now with Facebook.

Kevin mentioned, “The thing with Facebook is that it’s very “here and now.” If I post something I’m working on this week to a group, it’s largely going to be gone and forgotten next week.” and also Eric said, “For realtime railfanning (reporting movements, etc.), there’s no substitute. I have caught a lot of interesting moves thanks to realtime reporting from other railfans.” Chris mentioned this too, “I have always been of the opinion that Facebook is a “right now” means of communication. (As in, here is the snow I plowed today) Forums such as LSC are long term means.” I found this out the hard way. I was looking for a dog food recommendation on the Saint Bernard forum and because the discussion happened a few days ago, well, that’s it, unless you want to spend a lot of time sifting your way back in time. So that’s a critical drawback for me. (I guess you could screen capture whatever you think might be useful later.) I asked my youngest son about this and he said, “Yeah, that’s all social media.” Boom.

Kevin mentioned the solution to this is “I think to use Facebook as a tool for long-term projects, you’d be well served to start a facebook page for your railroad itself,…” but honest to God and for pete’s sake I have a lot of time invested in my railroad website and I can’t keep it up to date let alone another freaking page.

Rocky and a couple of others mentioned that, "To avoid the political garbage, I unfollowed everyone I personally know or that I am related. I have never regreted it for one second."And, really, I get that. If I’m not making Facebook or any of the other social media a way of life, I have no intention of following or being followed or friending or not friending anyone.

Vic has an approach kind of along the lines I’m thinking, “Sorry but as long as you avoid the political stuff, it DOES have its draws, but you do need to focus on your interests and nothing else.” So maybe I’ll check in once in a while and drool over some of the spectacular modelling achievements. If Al P. wants the list Facebook decided I could be interested in (!) I can post it here. But I can see like Craig said, “So you can see how I find this useful. For example, I’ve already seen more photos of a specific type of boxcar on the 1970’s page that I’ve been able to find through a Google search.”

But really between railroad and railroad research websites and the most amazing invention in the history of humankind since the invention of the printing press, Youtube!!!, I have enough inspiration on the internet to last more than a lifetime. For me, I guess it comes down to liking that Facebook is a resource but I’m not using it unless I need to.

Here’s the thing, many people I know, and apparently a lot guys here, use Facebook to connect with family, like Ken who keeps up with his service buddies. Like Steve said, “I think Kevin and Chris have IMO given the best answers to the question. I have family, friends and train friends all on my friends list and it’s nice to hear what else is going on in their lives other than trains sometimes.” I think that’s wonderful and whatever helps a family communicate is a good thing. I guess it’s just not for me.

The comment that fascinates me most is from Sophie Boone: “I check Facebook once a day to find out what family and a few very close friends are up to. My 86 year old mother has more “friends” than I do . My daughter thinks that “pictures of the grandkids” are something that is snapped on her cell phone and shared on Facebook. Since my family is spread across the country we don’t get to actually see each other all that often. As I personally think that the telephone is evil and I hate using it, FB ends up being a good medium to keep up with each other.”

That “I personally think that the telephone is evil and I hate using it” just cracked me up! Other than email, I consciously decided long time ago that if anyone want to communicate with me, they can come, sit down, and talk to me, or they can call me up on the telephone. All my friends, family, and even people who really don’t like me, know that about me and accepted it long time ago. Still, I never heard anyone come out and say the telephone is evil! Ha!

Maynard struck a chord with me, “…I can see where any form of communication can be an asset, or a liability, depending on how its used. So if its an asset to you, go ahead and use it. If it becomes a liability, then turn it off.” A clear liability would be, like several expressed, more time on the internet makes less available time for the layout and modelling. I know Radder is kidding, but I admire his take, and sheepishly admit it applies to me a lot of the time, “I obviously have a problem with net usage in general.” That’s the looking into the black hole feeling I started this conversation out with.

I don’t know how much of this made any sense, but, with that, having spent twenty minutes writing out my thoughts here (and by the way thanks to everyone for your input), I better get my butt back to work!

John, I just wanted to add a few of my thoughts regarding facebook:

I was very reluctant to join facebook, in fact, up until 6 months ago I flatly refused to join. I had seen all the back-biting commentary and self serving post on others’ facebook pages and wanted no part of it. However, there were a couple of yahoo groups, such as 1:20.3, that I closely followed, but found the activity level had been dwindling to a few intermittent posts. Turns out, these groups moved to facebook.

When I set up my facebook page, it was with the intention of only allowing me access to the GROUPS I was interested in. Since Facebook requires you to have “friends” I signed up to my kids pages, but told them offline that I would be NOT following them or communicating with them over the page. Facebook requires some posting, well that was easy, just a few photos and a short video of my trains.

Now for the benefits, I joined the 1:20.3 group and a couple of other modeling groups, such as weathering, but what I found were a treasure of other, sometimes very special groups out there.

I joined the Western Pacific group. Besides some amazing photography that has been published no where else, there are postings from some of the old WP Hoggers, telling all kinds of fascinating stories that might otherwise be lost forever. The same is true for the SP Group.

I found a home laser cutting group. Since I have plans to buy a laser cutter in the future, I have already learned many things I need to be aware of before I make my purchase.

In summary, I have found my very limited, no BS allowed membership to facebook to be absolutely invaluable.

John R.

I’ve also refused to join facebook all these years. But, it looks like I will join this month because I want to hock my wares to the Los Angeles and Orange County Audio Society and their mechanism of communication is through Facebook. Also, my wife posts regarding my Header Power Bracket (for SBCs) business and gets responses and questions about the product.

Greg Elmassian said:

Ditto… the benefit to time spent ratio is just too low… maybe when I retire and have nothing else but time. Greg

Korm Kormsen said:

in my opinion Facebook is just another nail in the coffin… of my avayable time.

i don’t even read all the interesting railroad- or modeling foras frequently, because that eats time i could better use to actually DO something.

as far as i’m informed, facebook has two main flaws: actual information seems to be mixed with too much background noise, and no orderly memory.

so - nothing for me.

Greg, if you have nothing else but time when you retire, you will absolutely be the first person ever!(https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-foot-in-mouth.gif)

John, I have been on facebook for a long time, love it for connecting to friends,keeping up with family in other states and have a fairly new friend who lives in Australia, and seem to own a ton of UP locos and USAT rolling stock, I see several of the regulars here on FB and am friends with several, love the videos that people post of their layouts and from that I am really considering going to the National Convention after seeing some of the pictures from layouts in that area. I also hate the other side of Facebook, the political stuff wears on me sometimes. But since my job has me alone and away from home a lot it is something to pass time. Just another tool to learn this hobby and meet new people with the same interests

John Passaro said:

I know Radder is kidding, but I admire his take, and sheepishly admit it applies to me a lot of the time, “I obviously have a problem with net usage in general.” That’s the looking into the black hole feeling I started this conversation out with.

No, not really kidding at all. If I spent half the time in my workshop as I do 'butt modelling" I’d have all the rolling stock I could ever use at little to no investment. My post count per day has gone down quite a bit n the last few years. At one time, when I was full time at the real estate developer I had enough free time at work to post several times a day on 3 or 4 websites. I’m now cut back to this one and Facebook, but still spend way more time then I should in front of a screen. Alt least, being older, I had a good 30 years before the TRS-80 Model III started eating up my time.

Jon Radder said:

John Passaro said:

I know Radder is kidding, but I admire his take, and sheepishly admit it applies to me a lot of the time, “I obviously have a problem with net usage in general.” That’s the looking into the black hole feeling I started this conversation out with.

No, not really kidding at all. If I spent half the time in my workshop as I do 'butt modelling" I’d have all the rolling stock I could ever use at little to no investment.

Mee too.

My post count per day has gone down quite a bit n the last few years. At one time, when I was full time at the real estate developer I had enough free time at work to post several times a day on 3 or 4 websites. I’m now cut back to this one and Facebook, but still spend way more time then I should in front of a screen. Alt least, being older, I had a good 30 years before the TRS-80 Model III started eating up my time.

Oh yea, I learned assembly language programming on the Trash 80. And I still have my CoCo, but I haven’t turned it on in years.

Huummm Facebook you say.

Rooster does not do such as you must first unlearn what you learn from it. Great Amtrak G scale modeling is found within ones self and LSC not this Facebook you seek.

The dark side controls the cookies you store through Facebook .

Fear the darkside and what it offers.

Do or Do Not there is no try!

Master Yoda and LSC have taught me well!

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Joe Zullo said:

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Maybe, that was his point!

Farcebook? or Twitter? …no thanks… so much to do…so little time left!(http://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-tongue-out.gif)

I’m not sure why Facebook gets such strong reactions (either side), but then what do I know?

I view it a few times a week, just to see what people I know are doing. I have found that Fluff Busting Purity helps keep it “clean”.

I still prefer forums for the ability to FIND reports that are over a day old.

Add another vote here to FB Purity. Cleans FB up a lot.

One thing we have to accept is that the younger generation IS using Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. We can’t grumble in one breath that its hard to get new blood into the hobby, and in the next breath say “What’s the matter with a good old phone call?” or similarly dismiss out of hand the tools that the younger generation are using to communicate with.

That’s why I said;

That said. I can see where any form of communication can be an asset, or a liability, depending on how its used.

If we want to communicate with the younger generation, then we need to be able to communicate with them. If they communicate mostly on Facebook, then we need to Facebook too.

This forum and others like it are better for real conversations about stuff and are better for getting reasoned answers to complicated questions.

Facebook is good for seeing photos and videos of people’s trains both in model form and the real deal.