Large Scale Central

Time to put your money etc

Mornin’, All - it can’t have escaped anyone’s notice that things aren’t going TOO well in economies on either side of the Great Water. But here, at last, is a chance to help out in a positive way.

Y’see, for years, ‘everybody’ has been bitching about the need for SMALLER traction, in the form of a connie, for Class 1 railroads, rather than the gigantic ‘look-at-me-ness’ of the raft of Big boys and GG-1’s we have from THREE makers.

Sooooooooooo, that nice Mr Plok decided to make a neat little Class 1 connie for ALL those folks who wanted one, and it’s about to go into production.

The word there, folks, is ‘about’.

Y’see, Mr Plok has done his sums, and decided that unless he gets some positive vibes about sales, he’ll hold off until the DJI hits 10k or better…

The magic figure is 2000 locos. So unless you express a positive ‘must-have’ for any version of this pretty good looking loco to your AristoCraft dealer, it won’t happen.

Period.

You don’t have to order 2000 - one is enough. I want a Brit version, even though it will look a mite odd with the rest of my stuff, and have told my dealer too.

AFAIK, this is the first time that any manufacturer in LS has told his paying audience that unless they put their $$$$$ where their mouths are, the model they ‘all want’ will stay as a ‘might have been’.

Don’t blame Mr Plok, either. 'Snot HIS fault.

tac
www.ovgrs.org

Like the rest of us, he can’t do anything unless he can convince people with money that he can make a profit. That’s harder to do these days than making a profit.

Terry A de C Foley said:
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AFAIK, this is the first time that any manufacturer in LS has told his paying audience that unless they put their $$$$$ where their mouths are, the model they ‘all want’ will stay as a ‘might have been’.


tac,

If memory serves this type of “pre-order” has been en vogue with KISS for some time and I believe Regner does it, too. Smart!

TAC,
All Mr. Polk is going to do is yank the trailing truck off his already ugly 2-8-2, maybe re-decorate it and call it a “connie”.

Your faulting the guy for doing Market Research??? LOL He’s just trying or fishing to see if any interest in a new product before he puts millions into developing a bomb, that sits on shelves and draws dust at the wholesale or retail level. The Regal

John Bouck said:
TAC, All Mr. Polk is going to do is yank the trailing truck off his already ugly 2-8-2, maybe re-decorate it and call it a “connie”.

Not true–it has the same drive train as the Mikado, but everything else is completely different

(http://www.aristocraft.com/temp/consolidation.jpg)

(http://www.aristocraft.com/temp/consolidation2.jpg)

I’d like to see this but probably not enough to commit to pre-ordering

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
tac,

If memory serves this type of “pre-order” has been en vogue with KISS for some time and I believe Regner does it, too. Smart!


Hans-Joerg, I do not know what Regner does, but I received all my Kiss locomotives without paying any deposit. Just placed an order. What do you mean precisely? Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi

I’m looking forward to seeing one in the US Army transportation re-style that runs over here in yUK.

tac
www.ovgrs.org

Terry A de C Foley said:
[...] Period.

You don’t have to order 2000 - one is enough.


Aaah… Terry, this sounds like a legitimate support for a decent project, but this year I devote my pocket money to support Aster’s new narrow gauge steamer;-))) Such a chance may not happen again!! Best wishes from Zubi

Do we know what the cost will be?
I would love to have one, but not at a big price.

Wholesaletrains.com had a price of about $550 listed. well within reach of a large segemt of the LS community so its not too bad, but sad to say still way too much for my impoverished line.

http://www.wholesaletrains.com/Detail.asp?ID=200433388

Had this been out when I started I might not have gotten so “narrow” minded, Hmm, could always build one :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

Zbigniew Struzik said:
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
tac,

If memory serves this type of “pre-order” has been en vogue with KISS for some time and I believe Regner does it, too. Smart!


Hans-Joerg, I do not know what Regner does, but I received all my Kiss locomotives without paying any deposit. Just placed an order. What do you mean precisely? Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi

That unless there are sufficient orders from dealers/end users things will not be built. The same routine is even more prevalent in the smaller scales.
Nothing to do with deposits, all they want is firm orders. I didn’t have to put down a deposit either on my KISS engines, all it takes is trust. :slight_smile: :wink:

While I wanted at least two of the B&O’s , hell will freeze over before I preorder an un-proven locomotive . They made that 2-8-8-2 without preorders , and such a big hit it was !
I really wanted the 2-8-0 , and the PCC car , but now , after all the waiting , I am not to eager to buy them , made it 65 years without them , guess I can go a bit more .

Also because I ventured back to my old buddies in HO and operating sessions , and found Digitrax DCC , and the newest HO with DCC and SOUND , oh my what improvements have been made .

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Nothing to do with deposits, all they want is firm orders. I didn't have to put down a deposit either on my KISS engines, all it takes is trust. :) ;)
Kiss engines[b]S[/b]? Congratulations! The back yard must be getting "greener" everyday.
Zbigniew Struzik said:
Terry A de C Foley said:
[...] Period.

You don’t have to order 2000 - one is enough.


Aaah… Terry, this sounds like a legitimate support for a decent project, but this year I devote my pocket money to support Aster’s new narrow gauge steamer;-))) Such a chance may not happen again!! Best wishes from Zubi

What new Aster narrow gauge steamer might that be, old floon?

Best from Flatland

tac
www.ovgrs.org

I keep thinking abut this–you’re asked to buy in advance something that doesn’t exist–even the final form isn’t set yet. There’s no way to see how it works. And there’s no clue about how long it will be between the time you “pre-order” and the time it arrives. That’s a little dodgy, isn’t it?

“Here’s what the house looks like–sort of. The design isn’t finalized yet. And we don’t know how long it’s going to take to build the house, or even if it will be built.” It’s kind of off-loading the risk onto the consumer, isn’t it? I can understand Lewis wants to minimize his indebtedness, that makes sense, and banks are not lending easily

I still might do it–except Ridge Road Station has the same engine available for pre-order in Live steam. If I pre-order that, does it count?

Aristo has a bunch of products that are supposedly right around the corner–a redone 0-4-0, a live steam 0-4-0, the consol, a live steam consol, the pcc car, and NW1–will nne of the be built unless they get enough pre-orders?

Jack Barton said:
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Nothing to do with deposits, all they want is firm orders. I didn't have to put down a deposit either on my KISS engines, all it takes is trust. :) ;)
Kiss engines[b]S[/b]? Congratulations! The back yard must be getting "greener" everyday.
Yes it is and it isn't just because of the plants. :D A little too early for that and the first things to go in are the water plants - they actually overwintered inside!

And then it’s a hefty number of Alberta Spruce etc. etc. it’s going to be another super busy summer!

Terry A de C Foley said:
Y’see, for years, ‘everybody’ has been bitching about the need for SMALLER traction, in the form of a connie, for Class 1 railroads, rather than the gigantic ‘look-at-me-ness’ of the raft of Big boys and GG-1’s we have from THREE makers. Sooooooooooo, that nice Mr Plok decided to make a neat little Class 1 connie for ALL those folks who wanted one, and it’s about to go into production.

I had a couple of chances to speak to Aristo heir apparent, Scott Polk, last week. His pet project is an Aristo GG-1 which is fine with me if they had newly interiored smoothside cars to pull behind it (that have been “promised” for quite sometime). Personally, I’d luv to have the new SG Connie. I believe there is a fair market of mid size SG steam. Its been pretty well neglected.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n214/altterrain/mine%20diorama/aristocon.jpg)

I been waiting on the PCC for awhile. As of 2 weeks ago they were supposed to be here in April and now at ECLSTS, the end of summer! Oy! They really screwed the pooch the first time around in the design process not including a socket for the Revolution. It looks priced right to be a big seller.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n214/altterrain/mine%20diorama/aristopcc.jpg)

-Brian

I’m sorry, but that think is sitting way too high above the gearbox.
A brakeman would have to jump 6 feet just to get to the running boards, and that’s a 1/29 brakeman!
Sure there were a few steamies that had a lot of daylight between the boiler and running gear, but that one is ridiculous.
I’ve gotten to the point I don’t pre-order a damn thing any more. My last pre-order was the LGB Uintah Mallet, about 12 years ago. A huge disappointment when I finally got it in one way–way too small and way out of scale, but I’ve enjoyed it over the years.

Brian Donovan said:
I had a couple of chances to speak to Aristo heir apparent, Scott Polk, last week. His pet project is an Aristo GG-1 which is fine with me if they had newly interiored smoothside cars to pull behind it (that have been "promised" for quite sometime).
What the heck? ANOTHER GG-1? Am I right that we already have two good GG-1? why in the world would you think that the market wants another one? There were some excellent deals on a MTH GG-1 and five MTH cars at the show. The "follow the leader" that goes on really puzzles me.

The more I think about the idea of telling people “pre-order or else” the more annoying it seems. It would be one thing if there was some reciprocity. For example, Lewis could say “if we get 2000 orders by date X we will have the loco with the following features ready by the following date.” Something solid. Instead we get "if we get 200 orders maybe we’ll make it and you can just wait till we’re good and ready.

I mean, anybody seen that PRR B6 that USA trains was supposed to be making? Three years ago?