Large Scale Central

Thinking about railroad colors

Very nice pics Ken. I noticed the guard dog surveying the property. lol

It is a curious fact that if I were modeling British large scale then I would not want post steam stock. However, I am content to have pre and post steam stock on my American style railroad.

Ken Brunt said:
I liked it so it appears
That pretty well sums the matter up.

I don’t have colors picked yet but I’m moving a lot closer.

My railroad is based on the Carson & Colorafo narrow gauge that ran in the Owens Valley of California. My grandmother rode the train about 1918 to visit an uncle who owned a ranch near Big Pine.

The pictures that exist are black and white. I contacted the website for the railroad and they contacted the railroad’s museum in Laws.

They just recently researched that because they wanted to paint a boxcar. They scraped the layers of paint off the boxcar to find the original olor! A woman from the museum emailed me yesterday and she is sending me paint samples So I may soon have colors!!

That’s very cool Doug.

yes nice score Doug :slight_smile:

I agree with the above responses!!
Very cool!

Maybe it’s because I really enjoy research but I got an email yesterday that got my attention.

On Jul 14, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Stephen & Beverly Drew wrote:

Doug Arnold:

The Northern Nevada Railroad Foundation has forwarded your recent e-mail regarding Carson & Colorado Railroad colors to me for reply.

I have been researching the V&T and it’s 40+ affiliated milling, mining, lumbering, railroad, and other concerns–including the C&C–for more than 40 years. I have read the some 60,000 surviving letters of Henry Marvin Yerington, General Superintendent and later Vice President of the V&T, 1869-1910, and President and General Superintendent of the C&C, 1880-1900, which are held by The Bancroft Library at U.C. Berkeley.

The C&C was closely operated in conjunction with the V&T and its massive shops at Carson City and, as such, many of its paint and color choices seem to mirror those of the V&T.

The first six Barney & Smith coaches and baggage and mail cars were painted a cherry-red or dark maroon color. V&T passenger cars were painted this color for a while.

V&T-built C&C caboose cars Nos. 1 and 2 were painted in a yellow-dark orange with light brown trim. (Randy Babcock has used this paint scheme in his restoration of one of these cars.)

Freight equipment, trestles, etc. were painted in a tuscan red/dark red/mineral brown that was marketed as being “fireproof paint.”

The passenger facilities, like at Candelaria, were painted to match the V&T’s: cream with light brown trim and white window sash.

Freight or combination depots were painted in the dark red color with white trim and green shingle roofs.

I hope this is helpful.

Stephen E. Drew
Retired, Chief Curator
California State Railroad Museum
Sacramento, CA

The Pacific Narrow Gauge website belongs to a buddy of mine - so I stole these to show you undecided guys. There was life (and color!) before boxcar red, basic black and Pullman Green. HW Johns Asbestos Roof paints -

(http://www.pacificng.com/ref/color/hwjohns/Johns-Asbestos-Roof-Paint.jpg)

Columbia Wagon standard colors-

(http://autocolorlibrary.com/images/columbiachipsbig.jpg)

John Masury & Son Co 1877 Carbody Paint chart -

(http://www.pacificng.com/ref/color/masury/Page2.jpg)

(http://www.pacificng.com/ref/color/masury/Page3.jpg)

(http://www.pacificng.com/ref/color/masury/Page4.jpg)

(http://www.pacificng.com/ref/color/masury/Page5.jpg)

(http://www.pacificng.com/ref/color/masury/Page6.jpg)

Planished or Russia Iron

(http://www.pacificng.com/ref/russiairon/img/vtgenoasample2.jpg)

(http://www.pacificng.com/ref/russiairon/img/sp1010sample3.jpg)

More goodies here, look under the historical data icon: http://www.pacificng.com/

Great color samples Mik. I notice English Vermillion mentioned.

Nice to know the Redcoats aren’t entirely forgotten. lol

Them BLOODY English!

All diesels are painted black and reefer orange. Steam locos are all black with tusken red cab roof. The diesel scheme came partly from SP units that had the orange then I decided on the black body. Later RJD

Mik said:
The Pacific Narrow Gauge website belongs to a buddy of mine - so I stole these to show you undecided guys. There was life (and color!) before boxcar red, basic black and Pullman Green.
Many thanks Mik! :)

Today I received a paint sample for the C&C boxcar color. The sample is the mix for the paint that the museum in Laws, Calif., just used for painting a C&C boxcar,

Now comes the challenge. Who mixes custom colors for painting garden railroad boxcars?

I think Loews, Sears, Home Depot all do color matching.
Some of them will mix samples, so you don’t need to buy a gallon,
Ralph

Or you can just take the sample and match it up to one of the hundreds of paint chips they have on display…

But wouldn’t the house paint these places sell be too thick for painting garden type train cars?

nope

Doug Arnold said:
But wouldn't the house paint these places sell be too thick for painting garden type train cars?
Ya gotta look in the Model Railroad Car colors section...............;)

Doug,

When I started this hobby I inherited, from a very young grandson who moved to the far East, a small bobber caboose. It was 32mm. gauge so I had to change to 45mm. and and had a red faded body color. (I also removed the monster that popped out of the cupola as well) lol

In order to mask the red color I painted it yellow using household oil based undercoat. One coat was sufficient and it has proven very durable.

Ken, I just need to ask where their 1800s train colors are!