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Thinking about railroad colors

Just curious, is there a story behind the color scheme on your pike? How did you come to choose it?

My loco scheme is a toned down (Easternized) version of the Great Northern ‘Glacier’, because that is what was on 3 clearance B’mann N-scale Consolidations when I got them waaay back in the early '90s. Not sure if I’m in a rut, or if it just suits.

Lineside stuff usually gets done in a variation of the Buffalo, Rochester & Pittsburgh’s yellow, barn red and dark green, because I saw stuff painted that way every day for 10 years, and I grew to really like it. It’s cheerful, yet businesslike.

The coach scheme of pale yellow and royal blue has no prototype basis. Kim picked because she felt that solid blue was too boring. Pale yellow was a nice early passenger color, but all I had was white decals, so the blue stayed where they needed to be placed. It’s a striking contrast that gets mostly positive comments.

Freight cars tend to be whatever primer color I have on-hand when they are added to the roster. Mostly brown (red oxide) or black. My fleet of unfinished Delton hoppers will be darkish green, under the premise that immediately post WWI and WWII there was a LOT of surplus Olive Drab paint to be had very cheaply.

That’s my excuse anyway…

Hey there;

Haven’t yet painted something for the personal “home road”. Am finally getting around to repainting some Bachmann stuff purchased earlier last year when my economy was a bit more stimulated than it is now and doing up a combine kit as a freelanced car for their own freelanced roadname.
There are a PRR and a V&T passenger set being repainted into earlier color variations.

Home road stuff will be done up in names and colors of one of three of ages old freelance HO and On30 names. One of the 2 mainline roads uses GN inspired steam and diesel green, orange, with some SOU 2-tone green colors. The other mainline road uses blues with maroon with their passenger cars being inspired by N&W red.
Steamers and diesels are sort of a “what if PRR used navy blue instead of brunswick green and N&W used it too”.
As modeling era got pushed back inot earlier and earlier times original inspirations of color schemes became less and less recognizable.
Then there’s the traction company . . .
Traction lines tended to employ a bit of a different color palette than did the steam roads.
{somewhere in here is a book commenting on one company using chrome green sides and ends with a chrome yellow roof!}
{hmm . . . }

It is looking like the traction line is going to be the G gauge home road.
Name which popped into my head for the traction line that day 30-some years ago was Willow Creek Traction, don’t know why - wasn’t aware there was a real town by that name in some state out west. There was a big willow tree in front yard of house we lived in. Maybe that was involved?

Seemed with willow in the name a light green ought to be one color. But then there is the classic “traction orange”. Okay 2 sets of colors.
Orange body, maroon/boxcar red trim, silver roof and trucks.
Green from either GN Glacier or NYC Jade green with red and white trim, silver trucks.
It is however much easier to find suitable orange in spray cans than something like the glacier or jade greens.
specific hues of light greens used may have to be adjusted.

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If the models are of East Broad Top or Tuscarora Valley prototypes, I try to stick as close as possible to what is known about the colors of the prototypes. That’s not always easy, as little is known about some of the early colors and lettering schemes. In many cases, I make educated guesses and hope someday someone can produce a photo to prove me wrong.

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For the depots, I’m using the oxide red with white trim known to be used at various periods in the EBT’s history. They used (nominally) two schemes–the red with white trim and buff with brown trim as can be seen on the Orbisonia depot today. The Colorado railroads also favored the buff/brown, so naturally I went with the other. :slight_smile:

(http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/eastbroadtop/EBT1/EdRob09.jpg)

On the EBT locomotives, I do vary from “prototype” to a degree. I’ve decided that all of my EBT locos will wear the dark green with orange lettering and plannished iron boiler jacket that the railroad began to use c. 1908, as shown on EBT #1 above. (It’s believed that #1 was the first to use the orange “E.B.T.” on the tender. Whether it was actually dark green or black is unknown.) EBT #11, delivered in 1908, was the first loco to come from Baldwin with that scheme. The other locos running on the railroad at that time would have had varying colors, ranging from black with aluminum (silver) lettering to olive green with aluminum, to the olive green with orange; most with different variations of the railroad’s initials on the tender (or none at all in one instance.) I’ve settled on the green/orange because I want them to be visually different from the non-EBT locos on the roster.

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The Tuscarora Valley RR locos are painted as close to what is known about the TVRR locomotive paint schemes. They seldom bought new locos, so it’s difficult to know exactly what colors they used. This scheme is based on photographs and colors known to have been used on other TVRR locos.

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The Tuscarora RR’s paint schemes are a bit more carefree. The most notable feature of the “early years” is the stained wood cabs. This draws from some live steam locos I did with mahogany cabs, and I just liked the looks. While it was probably quite rare to have natural stained wood cabs after the 1880s, it’s certainly plausible. The lettering on the tenders of the TRR locos varies from loco to loco. The EBT’s early lettering varied from loco to loco, so I figured I’d do the same thing. TRR #3’s lettering borrows from the EBT’s three-letter scheme, though done in gold instead of orange. The boiler jackets are all plannished iron, as that’s what was being used at the time. (Painted boiler jackets wouldn’t come into vogue until a bit later, when paint technology improved to where it could withstand the heat.)

(http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/eastbroadtop/TRR2/TRR248.jpg)

The “later” paint scheme on the TRR locos draws from a few different sources. First, they’ve got green boiler jackets. While not “common,” colored boiler jackets adorned locomotives from a number of railroads. I first played around with a green jacket on a locomotive I did for my dad’s railroad, and I liked the look. (I subsequently painted two more of his locos with green jackets.) The silver lettering and striping borrows from the Oahu Railway locos. They used the same font that the EBT and TVRR used for their passenger car lettering, so it made perfect sense that the TRR would use it for their locos. By the early 30s, all TRR locos would be painted in this scheme. Later, K

http://www.largescalecentral.com/LSCForums/myfiles.php?id=Great%20Western

I’m not sure if the link will produce a pic. We’ll see. lol

I had 3 new J&S cars in bright yellow and 3 second hand ones also yellow. The wine versions, which I preferred, were unavailable in the UK at the time I needed them. Eventually I sold two of the new ones - I have kept the combine ( I like combines) and re-painted the others. If the pic materializes it will be seen that my road colors are based on the MILW. I felt that the yellow was far too bright and have noticed some very sharp J&S cars posted here recently.

By the way I always like seeing your RR pics Kevin. Very pleasing to the eye.

Thank you all for the replies so far. I find it interesting and informative on why we do what we do. Since Kevin added pix to his descriptions, I’ll add a couple as well… just don’t expect my stuff to be half as nice as his! This is my basic loco paint scheme under all the ‘grime’

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… not that you can usually tell

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red, brown, black freight equipment… basic boring ‘Eastern’ coal road colors

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To exactly match the R&P depot scheme, the doors and roof supports should be red… I just thought they looked better green.

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No prototype on these, but IMO striking.

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To better match my ‘down at the heels’ theme, everything SHOULD probably be monochrome, drab, and ugly – with plenty of rust, dust and peeling paint – I just can’t quite bring myself to do it. My only out on a limb justification is that in the early '60s the mgmt was beginning to try to remake the RR into a tourist line.

Even though it makes Chris Walas want to chuck his cookies with a technicolor yawn whenever I paint something this way…I still gravitate mostly to Rio Grand Southern silver and black paint schemes

(http://gold.mylargescale.com/vsmith/Silver%20Bullet01.jpg)

:lol:

WOW! Victor.

I didn’t realize Wallace had emigrated. He will certainly feel the heat in CA having lived most of his life in a cool NW England. lol

I like my trains to be colorful. After all, it’s a garden RR. Not too many train people see my GRR in person. But a lot of non-train people do and I think it makes it more interesting for them. My railroads are fictional so that I have the freedom of doing whatever I please. The Sunny View Line…with a name like that, how can one not use yellow? The red and green just look good with the yellow.

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The PVRR colors came about simply because we have a lot of Cardinals around here and I think they look cool. When I first bounced the idea of red and black off Ken, he wasn’t very impressed. He said the black would hide too many details. I think he was trying to be kind :wink: Now I was even more determined to use red and black. And mindful of Ken’s comments. Since I was using red/black for the engines and coaches, I wanted a different color for the freight. I settled on gray.

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The PVRR locomotives have several variations in the red/black theme. I think the red tender looks good with the slopeback.

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/cabby/_forumfiles/0-4-0030Small.jpg)

But with a big tender, I cut back the red some.

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/cabby/_forumfiles/BuddyL134Medium.jpg)

Here on this still unfinished Annie, I eliminated the red from the tender all together. This is probably the loco paint scheme I will stick with.

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/cabby/_forumfiles/Misc040Med.jpg)

Ralph Berg said:
I like my trains to be colorful. After all, it’s a garden RR. Not too many train people see my GRR in person. But a lot of non-train people do and I think it makes it more interesting for them.

That’s a good point. She looks pretty, I like :slight_smile:

Ralph Berg said:
But with a big tender, I cut back the red some.

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/cabby/_forumfiles/BuddyL134Medium.jpg)

I’ve always liked Ralph’s eye for color combination’s…

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The gray & white cabooses are some of my favorites, but then I have a vested interest in the PVRR :smiley:

Jon Radder said:
I’ve always liked Ralph’s eye for color combination’s…

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The gray & white cabooses are some of my favorites, but then I have a vested interest in the PVRR :smiley:

Jon indeed, has a vested interest. He did a wonderful job designing and doing the art work for the PVRR herald. Jon also did the art work for the most colorful white reefer ever conceived :wink: Stan Cedarleaf printed the decals for the Brunt’s Head car.

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/cabby/_forumfiles/RSTOCK014Medium.jpg)

Now I stole the Ralphie’s Scales idea from Rooster, but I conjured up a pretty colorful black box car :wink:

(http://www.lscdata.com/users/cabby/_forumfiles/Ralphie004Medium.jpg)

Very interesting topic. It’s always fascinating to see what the philosophy and story line is behind someone’s theme for their RR. On mine, I’m just trying to get the feel and look of a depression era, one-disaster-away-from-insolvency narrow gauge RR, which the RGS was during most of it’s existence. It was built to service the mining region of the San Juan mountains, but when silver prices dropped, it spent most of it’s life as the red-headed step child of the D&RGW, so it used a lot of D&RGW rolling stock. Motive power ain’t pretty, but they were well maintained mechanically. Just your basic black with white letters.

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Although the sunset herald wasn’t used till after the war, I liked it so it appears on one of my engines.

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Line side buildings are basically yellow with brown trim, found on most D&RGW buildings.

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I use whatever shade of red primer that the hardware store had on sale that day. Basically it looks like oxide red. Some are weathered looking, some aren’t depending on when they spent time in the shop.

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The RGS passenger equipment was red, but I always liked the green.

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And your basic red caboose.

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And that probably colored my opinion when someone asked me how their stuff looks…:wink:

Ken Brunt said:
And that probably colored my opinion when someone asked me how their stuff looks........;)
Your opinion is always very helpful ;) I don't have to worry about you telling me something looks great when it looks like dookey :D

Your rolling stock looks good, nice and weathered. Especially the coaches.
Since I leave most of my RS outside, it is starting to pick up that weathered look…with no effort on my part :wink:
Ralph

Very nice pics Ken. I noticed the guard dog surveying the property. lol

It is a curious fact that if I were modeling British large scale then I would not want post steam stock. However, I am content to have pre and post steam stock on my American style railroad.

Ken Brunt said:
I liked it so it appears
That pretty well sums the matter up.

I don’t have colors picked yet but I’m moving a lot closer.

My railroad is based on the Carson & Colorafo narrow gauge that ran in the Owens Valley of California. My grandmother rode the train about 1918 to visit an uncle who owned a ranch near Big Pine.

The pictures that exist are black and white. I contacted the website for the railroad and they contacted the railroad’s museum in Laws.

They just recently researched that because they wanted to paint a boxcar. They scraped the layers of paint off the boxcar to find the original olor! A woman from the museum emailed me yesterday and she is sending me paint samples So I may soon have colors!!

That’s very cool Doug.

yes nice score Doug :slight_smile:

I agree with the above responses!!
Very cool!

Maybe it’s because I really enjoy research but I got an email yesterday that got my attention.

On Jul 14, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Stephen & Beverly Drew wrote:

Doug Arnold:

The Northern Nevada Railroad Foundation has forwarded your recent e-mail regarding Carson & Colorado Railroad colors to me for reply.

I have been researching the V&T and it’s 40+ affiliated milling, mining, lumbering, railroad, and other concerns–including the C&C–for more than 40 years. I have read the some 60,000 surviving letters of Henry Marvin Yerington, General Superintendent and later Vice President of the V&T, 1869-1910, and President and General Superintendent of the C&C, 1880-1900, which are held by The Bancroft Library at U.C. Berkeley.

The C&C was closely operated in conjunction with the V&T and its massive shops at Carson City and, as such, many of its paint and color choices seem to mirror those of the V&T.

The first six Barney & Smith coaches and baggage and mail cars were painted a cherry-red or dark maroon color. V&T passenger cars were painted this color for a while.

V&T-built C&C caboose cars Nos. 1 and 2 were painted in a yellow-dark orange with light brown trim. (Randy Babcock has used this paint scheme in his restoration of one of these cars.)

Freight equipment, trestles, etc. were painted in a tuscan red/dark red/mineral brown that was marketed as being “fireproof paint.”

The passenger facilities, like at Candelaria, were painted to match the V&T’s: cream with light brown trim and white window sash.

Freight or combination depots were painted in the dark red color with white trim and green shingle roofs.

I hope this is helpful.

Stephen E. Drew
Retired, Chief Curator
California State Railroad Museum
Sacramento, CA