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I don’t know if this has come up before , but those of you who have restricted space , short arms or just like to be different , Ammo Dump railways are fun to model .
In 1/22 (ish) scale , the normal ammo rails in dumps or fortresses come out at about 32mm .
Layout possibilities are endless , from modelling the entrance and switching into a bunker , to interchange sheds where main line thingies swopped loads out to NG .
And , you should note , if you are of insular bent , the US Navy operated at least one large dump in the south of the UK , replete with little critters and all the permutations of trackwork you could wish for .
Most dump locos are diesel ( I wonder why ? ) and can easily be obtained by using the small Bachmann jobs , or Accucraft (UK ) models . The latter also make small wagons to suit—in fact , some of the ex dump stocks found their way onto civvie rails ; models of these are available and a quick repaint is all that is required .
My reason for this post is that we have an LGB diesel being suitably ruined in the paint shop , and I will now make the threat of photos of it . Those of a tender nature , or LGB Collectors , should avoid this thread .
If there is any interest , I will post addresses of places to look , like on Google Earth , where the tracks are still visible .

Mike M

Mike,

A posting pointing to “Google Earth” is appreciated. Interesting subject, material handling.

Ric ,
On Google Earth , ask for a destination of West Dean , Salisbury , UK .
Go to the highest magnification you can get .
Go 800 yards SE from the West Dean town marker , and you will be in the middle of the dump .
A close scrutiny of the area will reveal track work , one of the paved roads running near vertical to the right of where you just landed has a plainly visible track crossing it

Have fun ,
Mike

Look for a big smoking hole… :slight_smile:

tac
www.ovgrs.org

Hello , Tac ,
I can give you the hole----the smoke cleared in WW2 .
Try Google Earth
-------Hanbury , Staffordshire . 1000yards due east gets you to the centre of the hole .
RAF Hanbury , underground dump .

                                                            Er , edit -----RAF Fauld .

I believe fireless cookers were once used for motive power at these types of facilities also. Not often modeled an ammo dump would be a perfect setting for them.

That’s true , Richard , I shall have to knock the chimney and steam dome off one of my NG models . That would be a start .

Mike M

A rather spectacular ammo dump can be found at -----

Google Earth

Trecwn (yes , it is a Welsh village , pronounced Trecwyn )
Haverford West
Dyfed
UK .

This will land you 60 yards NW of the main.entrance .
You will see that rail lines run along either side of the valley , with spurs off from SG and NG into hillside entrances .
1100yds ESE from entrance is the SG/NG exchange shed . This has a very modellable track plan .

100 yds SE from that , a NG train can be seen .

Any questions , please ask .

Mike M

Used to be a huge ammo dump south of Hawthorne, NV. Got shut down sometime in the 90’s, I believe, but probably still plenty to see there on Google Earth.

And at Concord, CA, as well as Seal Beach, CA. Rails at both.

I was really aiming this at narrow gauge . I would be interested to hear of any ammo dump using narrow gauge .

Mike M

Even smaller NG can be found in forts to cart heavy shells and propellant around .

The Oahu Railway has quite a history of the US Navy carrying explosives to and from the Ammo Dumps in the hills down to the Port at Pearl Harbor. I believe it was all Narrow Gauge.

Thanks , Ric , exactly the sort of thing I’m looking for .
My son married an American girl in Los Angeles about 4 months ago , and went to Hawaii for the honeymoon .
Showing a great display of restraint , he brought back a lot of photos taken on Maui , and he also travelled the train . Fortunately , his new wife likes steam trains , so they enjoyed touring around .
The main island has some rail stuff , but it is too expensive and too commercialised to visit the island . They needed the cost of a couple of G scale locos to do that .
I must start looking around the 'net for piccies .
Meantime , have a good time at the show , enjoy it for all of us who can’t get there .

Mike M

Mike,

Jeff Livingston hangs out on some of these sites and is an authority on the railroads of Oahu. When my son, Skipp, was stationed there with the Marines, Jeff took the time to show me around extensively of what equipment was in the area and the old track plans. There were even some Eat Broad Top wheel sets that were shipped over during WWII.

Did you see the article in NG&SLG about the sugar cane plantation railroad and equipment. Latest issue, quite interesting.

As I recall, Ft Rosecrans out on Pt Loma in Sandy Eggo had a Narrow Minded railray to transport shells and powder between the ammo depot and the batteries. I remember my bicycle tires slipping on them at speed and earning a huge bruise on my lateral thigh for the effort.

I have not been able to locate the fort in sandy ego , it’s a big place .
Any pointers ? What gauge wozzit ?

Mike M

Pt Loma forms the Western edge of the mouth of Sandy Eggo (San Diego) Harbour. If you look here, you will see a picture that is rotated 90 degrees to the left. The spot labeled (e) is Battery White. You can see a heavy white line going up from the Coast Guard Station to Battery White, called White Road. A thinner white line goes off to the left from Battery White. That is the narrow minded rail. You can see it here and there through out the Battery. It’s funny how the singular and plural of Battery is Battery, but that is the Artillery, for you. :lol:

That spit of land that appears to be jutting out to the north is actually Ballast Point, a spit of land formed by sailing ships dumping their ballast there before taking on cargo in San Diego. It actually juts out pointing east from Point Loma. If you find and follow White Road up to Battery White (where White Road ends) and go to extreme magnification in the satellite photo, you will see fresh asphalt where the iconoclasts have removed the rails and “repaired” the road. From the looks of it, I would say it was either 24 or 30 inch gauge.

Perhaps Ray could go there and tell us more. I rode the hills there on my bike a lot when I was on active duty, trying to stay in shape. It took a direct order from the Chief of Naval Operations to get me to run a mile and a half, twice a year. I hated running that much. Bicycling is much better.

Mike, This is a great idea for modeling. Mixing trains with high explosives …It will be fun to see what modeling ideas evolve from this thread. This type of industrial operation is a good haven for CRITTER builders. Accucraft offered some boxcars lettered for US NAVY PEARL HARBOR. Loads can be interchanged between 2 ft and 3 ft gauge cars. Oh no, another modeling rabbit trail to follow…what a great hobby…dave

Then I can use these toys… EXPLODING BOXCARS

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We exploded more than a few as kids. Used HO trains and 1/72 military models. We didn’t fool around when we played army :lol:
Ralph