TonyWalsham said:Good for you. I support and respect your right to determine the laws in your own country. Too bad you are not able to do the same. Ralph
.......and now it is safer and we feel safer.
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TonyWalsham said:Ralph Berg said:Ralph. I am not commenting on gun laws in the USA. I never comment about domestic USA policy matters. Others may do.TonyWalsham said:Good for you. I support and respect your right to determine the laws in your own country. Too bad you are not able to do the same. Ralph
.......and now it is safer and we feel safer.BTW.
To bring more to light on what Mr Hill has stated above, perhaps you and he would do well to read the official statistics from the Australian Bureau of Statistics.http://www.aic.gov.au/topics/violence/stats/
Whilst overall assaults have risen somewhat all other violent crimes have either remained stable or actually decreased.
Especially murder.
Tony,
I find it very hard to believe you never comment on US domestic policy. However, as I do not feel the need to “prove” otherwise, I will take you at your word, for now.
I feel very strongly about the right of self determination, here and through out the world.
But what would I know, as I have been labeled a right winger, narrow minded, non thinking and suffered many other insults from some of your fellow countrymen.
Ralph
BTW.
To bring more to light on what Mr Hill has stated above, perhaps you and he would do well to read the official statistics from the Australian Bureau of Statistics.
http://www.aic.gov.au/topics/violence/stats/
Whilst overall assaults have risen somewhat all other violent crimes have either remained stable or actually decreased.
Especially murder.
I checked the link you provided and found this statistic on this site. http://www.aic.gov.au/topics/violence/sexual_assault/stats/ An increase of an average 4% in sexual assaults since 1996.
The murder rates per 100,000 dropped from 1.6 in 1993 to 1.5 in 2007. Not much difference from when private gun ownership was permitted until today.
And robbery armed/unarmed was also up. ???
David Hill said:David, check the State by State breakdown link that I provided. Average American State deaths, by murder, are on average 6.0 or higher. Give me a death rate of 1.5 anytime. We do not have a national gun culture! Says a lot about the psyche of the population.
....The murder rates per 100,000 dropped from 1.6 in 1993 to 1.5 in 2007. Not much difference from when private gun ownership was permitted until today.,,,,
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Ralph,
Tony doesn’t need to comment on those domestic matters, he observes the human condition in general, comments accordingly and whoever feels addressed usually responds, one way or the other. 
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TonyWalsham said:
The only country, other than Australia, where I comment on the domestic politics, is the the UK. My country of birth.They are in such a sad state of affairs there is not much to comment about really.
Here is the link which started this thread.
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4329
A bill introduced in the Legislature of the United States.
Ralph
Tim Brien said:Apples and Oranges, we have a whole different culture here. Gang-bangers, illegal aliens, terrorism and your run-of-the-mill wack-jobs. The USA has become very course, we have lost our moral compass in the "culture war".David Hill said:David, check the State by State breakdown link that I provided. Average American State deaths, by murder, are on average 6.0 or higher. Give me a death rate of 1.5 anytime. We do not have a national gun culture! Says a lot about the psyche of the population.
....The murder rates per 100,000 dropped from 1.6 in 1993 to 1.5 in 2007. Not much difference from when private gun ownership was permitted until today.,,,,
This isn’t about American gun violence, it was about removing guns from law-abiding citizens and not having any statistical decline in violent crime. The gun is a tool, not the problem.
Ralph Berg said:TonyWalsham said:
The only country, other than Australia, where I comment on the domestic politics, is the the UK. My country of birth.They are in such a sad state of affairs there is not much to comment about really.
Here is the link which started this thread.http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4329
A bill introduced in the Legislature of the United States.
Ralph
Touché !
Ding-ding-ding! We have a winner.
David Hill said:Ding-ding. No it is not the gun itself but the dingaling with his finger on the trigger. Dead bodies are also 'tools', as once deceased, they become statistical tools. If the topic of the thread has altered, then it is you who are the 'master of manipulation of threads'. Have you finished your copy of 'Mein Kampf' yet?
.....This isn't about American gun violence, it was about removing guns from law-abiding citizens and not having any statistical decline in violent crime. The gun is a tool, not the problem.
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TonyWalsham said:Sounds like a politician ducking the issue to me. The entire thread is about a bill being introduced in the USA that is considered by some to be usurping the rights of the states. "Gun control" in the United States. How can any comment on this thread not be construed as being about domestic USA politics? Ralph
Show me where I have made any comment in this thread about domestic USA politics.
Ralph,
simple answer - THREAD DRIFT
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Tim Brien said:Tim, You were right there on page one. I wouldn't call that thread drift. Somewhere around page 8 or 9 you tell us what OUR constitution says. Ralph
Ralph, simple answer - THREAD DRIFT
"Tim Brien wrote:
Your constitution allows for armed militias, not individual carrying of weapons.
I like this. An Aussie telling us what OUR Constitution says.
Regardless of your opinion, in many States, including North Carolina, you may openly carry a gun.
You may also apply and receive a concealed weapons permit.
You don’t like it? Who cares.
I could care less if things are different where you are.
Ralph"
TonyWalsham said:
Steve. If you really believe what you say, surely it is incumbent to point out precisely where I have made a comment specifically about USA domestic politics on this thread?Otherwise it is just more of your Bull Shit.
No Tony,
You are correct. You made no specific comment on a thread about gun control in the US.
Ralph
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When Martin Bryant carried out that horrific massacre at Port Arthur, Tasmania, I caught it on Canadian news. My first thought was; I wonder what would have happened if he’d tried that at the restaurant near The Alamo. He may have got off a few shot shots and then would have brought down in a hail of return fire from the good ol’ boys. There may have been a few incidental casualties, but nothing like his Tasmanian death toll.
I think though, it may have looked somewhat different. Just because Texans all own guns doesn’t mean they carry them at all times. Ralph, for example, and admittedly not a Texan, rarely carries his - by his own admission. I suspect this is the norm.
So what would have really happened? I suspect pretty much the same as happened in Tasmania. Except for the aftermath.
The next day, in every restaurant and roadside diner in Texas, everyone would be packed to the gills with “tools”. Some poor slob chokes on his Big Mack, jumps up to cough, and goes down in a hail of bullets. His wife, thinking it’s another wacko, gets off a few rounds with her 9mm before being taken out with an uzi. Bubba, coming in from the carpark, hears the unmistakable chatter of a Thompson and lobs a few grenades through the diner window. Someone calls 9-1-1 and screams “Terrorists!!!” Three F-16s, with laser-guided bombs, scream in. One bomb hits the gas tanks, one hits the Alamo, and one hits a mosque 250 miles away. Moslems around the world call for Jihad, claiming the streets of America will run red with the blood of the infidels. America nukes Mecca, Britain nukes Buenos Aires, and France nukes Auckland, leaving Canada to hold the can in Afghanistan and triggering a new wave of global warming and a widespread failure of refrigeration plants throughout the southern US. With no more cold beer, the Texans revolt and the 2nd Civil War begins!!!
That’s why I worry about people carrying guns.