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David,
I would summise that you are mid to late fifties, so with eight years service, that would mean around thirty years that you have followed your philosopy of gun toting to the grocery store. Exactly how many actual times (not Google ‘hits’) have you withdrawn your gun for self protection/defence to intimidate and how many times have you used your weapon in defence. If I did a Google of the number of times related to your grocery trips it would come back as ZERO! How do you feel carrying that gun with you all the time and never having had the opportunity to use it, except maybe to impress all the young impressionable folk?
81 million for “home fire.” 
Later,
K
Tim Brien said:Either you are attempting to incite an argument (likely) or you haven't read any of my posts.
David, I would summise that you are mid to late fifties, so with eight years service, that would mean around thirty years that you have followed your philosopy of gun toting to the grocery store. Exactly how many actual times (not Google 'hits') have you withdrawn your gun for self protection/defence to intimidate and how many times have you used your weapon in defence. If I did a Google of the number of times related to your grocery trips it would come back as ZERO! How do you feel carrying that gun with you all the time and never having had the opportunity to use it, except maybe to impress all the young impressionable folk?
Other than my wife and children and about 3 close friends, no body that knows me knows I carry a handgun.
You have yet to answer my questions, Do you own a fire extinguisher? What, are you trying to impress the local career firemen? How many fires have you put out since getting the fire extinguisher. Same thing.
There is nothing wrong with being a sheep. Just enjoy the limited protection of the sheepdogs and pray you do not encounter a hungry wolf.
Kevin Strong said:
81 million for "home fire." ;)Later,
K
Over two million violent crimes prevented by US citizens with a handgun each year according to FBI statistical estimates.
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David Hill said:
Other than my wife and children and about 3 close friends, no body that knows me knows I carry a handgun.There is nothing wrong with being a sheep. Just enjoy the limited protection of the sheepdogs and pray you do not encounter a hungry wolf.
David,
You have now told the world you carry a gun. There is now a public record.
As for the sheep having limited protection…you are correct.
There are several sheep here that will be left to fend for themselves.
Ralph
Ralph Berg said:David Hill said:
Other than my wife and children and about 3 close friends, no body that knows me knows I carry a handgun.There is nothing wrong with being a sheep. Just enjoy the limited protection of the sheepdogs and pray you do not encounter a hungry wolf.
David,
You have now told the world you carry a gun. There is now a public record.
As for the sheep having limited protection…you are correct.
There are several sheep here that will be left to fend for themselves.
Ralph
Yeah but would you know me if I passed you on the street? Is David Hill my true and real name? I may have a forged birth certificate. (Just a joke you Obamamites.)
Tony, to quote Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men; “You can’t handle the truth!”. So I won’t waste my time, or yours.
David Hill said:Ralph Berg said:David Hill said:
Other than my wife and children and about 3 close friends, no body that knows me knows I carry a handgun.There is nothing wrong with being a sheep. Just enjoy the limited protection of the sheepdogs and pray you do not encounter a hungry wolf.
David,
You have now told the world you carry a gun. There is now a public record.
As for the sheep having limited protection…you are correct.
There are several sheep here that will be left to fend for themselves.
Ralph
Yeah but would you know me if I passed you on the street? Is David Hill my true and real name? I may have a forged birth certificate. (Just a joke you Obamamites.)
You gave us a pretty good picture with the cyclops. Of course, the possibility exists it was someone else in the photo. But it looked like a “Teddy Bear” to me.
You can use any name you wish. Unless you have taken extreme measures, Uncle Sam can hunt you down.
Bob can pin you down to a region rather easily.
Ralph
Now you are ALL doin’ it ------
Troll feeding.
Leave the self-styled and self-appointed hero alone and he might fade back into oblivion.
tac
Terry A de C Foley said:
Now you are ALL doin' it ------Troll feeding.
Leave the self-styled and self-appointed hero alone and he might fade back into oblivion.
tac
Boy that “truce” didn’t last very long <24hrs. Why not take your own advice, tac? I suppose you are used to people doing what you say and not what you do.
David Hill said:No mention of truce here, Mr Hill - I won't ease up until you are gone for good.
Boy that "truce" didn't last very long <24hrs. Why not take your own advice, tac? I suppose you are used to people doing what you say and not what you do.
tac
Terry A de C Foley said:David Hill said:No mention of truce here, Mr Hill - I won't ease up until you are gone for good.
Boy that "truce" didn't last very long <24hrs. Why not take your own advice, tac? I suppose you are used to people doing what you say and not what you do.tac
So you intend to be sort of like a gnat that keeps buzzing around someone’s head? I know how to deal with gnats.
Quote:You seem to be of the mind that I deny these facts. Of course handguns have prevented crimes. Fire extinguishers have prevented house fires. Wearing a motorcycle helmet has prevented head injuries. I never stated carrying a gun is in any way wrong. I'm pointing out the irony behind someone stating they have to carry their weapon in order to "feel safe," while at the same time embarking upon risky behavior that endangers their own lives--behavior that is far, far more likely to cause them harm.
... Over two million violent crimes prevented by US citizens with a handgun each year according to FBI statistical estimates.
Later,
K
David,
I do not own a fire extinguisher (I have a fire blanket for personal protection should it be needed). In reality, once one is aware of the presence of a fire in the home, it is generally too late, as it seems these days that fires start in the middle of the night, generally due negligence. A family awoken by a fire alarm sounding hardly has time to stay and fight and is usually concerned with their own safety. The fire station is around five minutes distance.
Yes, I have assisted in putting out several fires, two in my parent's home started by overheated cooking oil, self combusting and starting the kitchen on fire and once a work contractor at a block of units contacted high tension power leads with a work cradle, resulting in the cradle melting, injuring the occupants of the cradle and sending a rain of molten metal down on the street below. This started numerous fires in the local area, which I and the supervisor of the site, set about eextinguishing with what we had available. The emergency services arrived several minutes later to deal with the injured. No sheepdog antics, just doing what comes naturally and responding to a situation.
I do not have life or accident/loss of income insurance but I do have mandatory home insurance plus comprehensive car insurance. Car insurance is a necessity as these days young drivers are paying in excess of $2000 per year on normal cars and around $15000 insurance premium per year on turbo cars and alas, few actually take out insurance on their cars, as they are unable to afford it. My wife's car was totalled by an uninsured driver and I have had to deal with several uninsured drivers in my time. In most cases the legal costs of recovering money from these individuals far exceeds the damage costs.
In so far as your percieved allegation of incitement, I was merely asking a question which you have not answered. How many times have you had to brandish your weapon to intimidate an offender or to actually use in self defence. A person carrying a weapon has a predisposition to use the weapon and thus all rationality at compromise is swept aside. The weapon makes a tiny mouse into a roaring lion. I live in a civilised society where carrying of weapons is not a prerequisite and is actually illegal, unless one is authorised to carry such a weapon. We do not live as sheep in a field awaiting the inevitable onslaught of the fox or the wolf. We get on with our productive lives.Deleted
Kevin Strong said:
while at the same time embarking upon risky behavior that endangers their own lives--behavior that is far, far more likely to cause them harm.Later,
K
You are right, like driving a car is more dangerous.
Do I feel safer “packin’ heat” than when I leave home without my shootin iron? Yes, I feel I then have the ability to defend myself against a superior force or an armed attacker when armed. Am I “in fear” when I am “naked”, no not really. As you mentioned before “You/We are the weapon.” the gun is only a tool.
The OP was about politicians wanting to disarm us, the citizens. I do not believe a full disarmament like in Australia or England will happen in the USA. Too many states’ and the Federal Constitution guarantee us this right.
We’ve sort of run this topic dry, in relative agreement with some and does not apply to others.
Stay safe!!
Tim Brien said:I prefer not to fully answer your question here. I'm 100% certain I would be opening another unwelcome can of worms with the ninnys. I will say I have NEVER "brandished" my weapon.
In so far as your percieved allegation of incitement, I was merely asking a question which you have not answered. How many times have you had to brandish your weapon to intimidate an offender or to actually use in self defence. A person carrying a weapon has a predisposition to use the weapon and thus all rationality at compromise is swept aside. The weapon makes a tiny mouse into a roaring lion. I live in a civilised society where carrying of weapons is not a prerequisite and is actually illegal, unless one is authorised to carry such a weapon. We do not live as sheep in a field awaiting the inevitable onslaught of the fox or the wolf. We get on with our productive lives.
You are asking your question based on the false premise that; a man with a hammer sees everything as a nail.
If you live in a society that the government does not trust it’s citizens with the tools necessary to protect themselves, then you are are the mercy of the wolves.
Protecting your parents home is the action of a sheepdog. You may be misunderstanding the whole “Sheep” analogy. Don’t keep your head down, where the graze is, keeping alert is your best first defensive condition.
I understand the sheep analogy perfectly. I just think it’s anti-American and anti-democratic. But as you say, we’ve all clarified our respective positions pretty well.