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The "Mysterious" WW&F, 2' Gauge, Derrick Car, No. 10

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#1

Why “Mysterious”?

Because there are no known photographs of this car!

There is an excellent article on this car in the Summer 2011 Issue of Maine Two-Foot Quarterly. The authors took the few known photos which show portions of the car references to the car in various documents and records and, based on this limited info, extrapolated what the car probably looked like.

The car is similar to the D&RGW Derrick Car “OP” so the authors also used this info to help develop general plans of the car.

Both cars were similar in that they both drew steam from the locomotive but the WW&F Derrick was a shorter, all wood boom, than the D&RGW Derrick.

Maine Two-Foot Quarterly will soon have a set of plans available for WW&F No. 10 and when they do, I am going to build a 7/8" scale model of the car using a WW&F 28’ flat car which I already have.

I have done a thorough Internet search for info and photos of both cars, the steam winches used, and other likely equipment.

If any of you have an unknown photo of WW&F No. 10, please post it up.

Any other info or thoughts would be helpful too.

Thanks,

Jim

#2

Jim,
Alas, I’m of no help.
Regardless, welcome to LSC.
And keep us updated on your project.
Ralph

#3

I was here long ago Ralph, under a long forgotten screen name and pass word. I left 7/8" Scale modeling for full size railroading and owned and operated a Rail Speeder for several years. But now I am back into modeling because the full size railroading became more than I could handle. Here are a few photos of my favorite 7/8" creations… My 2-6-0, in the first photo the building flat behind it is 48" wide.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/Trainman-2/7-8%20Scale/IMGP1021.jpg)

A close up on a friend’s outdoor layout. (These engines need a 10’-12’ minimum radius)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/Trainman-2/7-8%20Scale/MVC-565L.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/Trainman-2/7-8%20Scale/Swayback-01.jpg)

#4

Welcome back Jim. 2 Foot stuff is very cool. Thanks for the pictures.

#5

Welcome back, Jim.

#6

welcome back, and neat pictures… :slight_smile:

#7

Welcome back, Jim.

Did somebody sit on your boxcar? Love the sway back effect. L)

#8

Thanks Steve… I am starting to build one or two more Sway Back Box Cars. John Allen was my “hero” and inspiration many years ago. The car above didn’t turn out right. My warping method for the frame rails failed so if you look close, the top is sagging but the bottom is not. Here are two photos of the next car. I cut the frame rails with a big dip in them on my band saw.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/Trainman-2/7-8%20Scale/7-8%20Boxcar%20Project/DSCN3073.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/Trainman-2/7-8%20Scale/7-8%20Boxcar%20Project/DSCN3071.jpg)

Because this one is more extreme I had to adjust the coupler and truck mountings to level them out and get the correct coupler height.

#9

I’ve often thought about building a boxcar straight, then loosening the trussrods, and then leave it under a sprinkler for several days with a suitable weight in the center of the roof. Probably have to use white glue to get the right effect.

Maybe someday.

#10

Hey I love that sway backed box car. It is “sway backed” . . . just not “sway bellied” :wink:

#11

I know I’ve come late to this thread, but add my name to your list of admirers. I noticed the straight bottom, swayed roof on this car right away, having built some swayback cars myself. You start out building a car your normal way, then at some point the swayback bug takes hold, and you finish that way. I’m also a big John Allen fan. I know about having to adjust truckmounts and coupler mounts on these cars; I remember having to do that on a couple of HO copies of Allen’s stuff that I made years and years ago… I would have been a teenager. I hope you will post pix of the new cars you’re making. The weathering job on this first car is thoroughly convincing, a pleasure to admire! Here’s to the two-foot lovers among us!

#12

Welcome aboard… or welcome back, as the case may be. Those are some great looking 7/8ths trains!

#13

That “sway back” box is great ! :slight_smile: Love it.

#14

Just checking to see if I remember this correctly. If the truss rods got too loose, sway back. If the truss rods got too tight, hump back. Right?

Thanks,
David Meashey