Hi all,
According to Märklin nothing wrong with the gears, but they forgot to insert all of the screws in the gearbox cover.
Remember the torquing effect I mentioned? 
Tim Brien said:Tim,
.... a more desirable loco would be the superceded V200 or V220 just released from Hungary ....
Just a mention that the motor blocks are probably out of Gyor, but the bodies are from China. Most of the Märklin LGB rolling stock items available currently are from China.
Jack
HJ,
so definately someone had a screw loose (or was it missing?). I cannot understand a process line mentality if there are six holes then surely six screws needed to retain the cover. Seems more an individual problem than a corporate problem. Less haste and less waste.
I heard a good saying - there is never enough time to do it right the first time, but always enough time to go back and fix it.
Jack,
one then wonders why they did not simply commence manufacturing in China from the start - why the subtefuge? I am sure many Europeans were/are aware that a lot of ‘recent’ (2007) production came from China - flimsy endrails on expensive passenger coaches plus paint application problems. Seems that EPL did not have these problems until the very end of production and Marklin inherited (?), not just the company, but the QC problems as well.
Tim:
Quite a few years ago, I was sent to do a problem assessment on a production line in a foreign country. Missing screws were one of the recurring problems, causing field service to tear brand new units down and fix them prior to operation at the customer’s installation site. It took quite a lot of (translated) questioning, but finally a production worker told us that she and the others working at that station deliberately only put about half the specified screws in each assembly. I immediately took that as an admission of some sort of ineptness or lazyness, but I was wrong.
She, her fellow workers, and the local supervisor all thought leaving screws out was okay, as they had discussed and decided that the full compliment of screws was unnecessary to keep the assembly together! They actually thought they were saving the company money. They also said they occasionally ran out of screws, so putting only 1/2 in made good sense in terms of making the supply of screws go as far as possible.
The folks who sent me didn’t believe what had occurred until their overseas manager sent his report and apologies!
Not interested in getting into the LGB wars, but I really agree with you regarding the country of manufacture.
Happy RRing,
Jerry
Gee.
I wonder what happened to the report of changed gears…
So that means there are some screws loose at Märklin?
No, that means folks should check out their facts before reporting that the gears have been changed to less than rave reviews.
Curmudgeon said:Dave , it's all the fault of the translator that Jack "the Ventilator" Barton uses. ;) :)
No, that means folks should check out their facts before reporting that the gears have been changed to less than rave reviews.
You’d think after all this time he’d have figured that out.
TOFC,
The story developed over several days. you’re welcome to follow it yourself.
http://spassbahn.de/view_topic.php?id=4820&forum_id=3
Just remember, since it was negative for Märklin, your “translator” wasn’t going to mention it.
Isn’t a design problem (EPL designed it)
It’s an assembly problem. Is Märklin up to the job?
I don’t know.
Seems there was an EPL designed (or two) that were improperly assembled.
Some drover’s caboose…
Incorredtly assembled track, upside down RhB logos, forgot the screws…
odds don’t look to good.
I’d bet donuts to dollars that the locomotive in question is the last piece of new LGB tooling we see for an awfully long time!
Jack Barton said:
TOFC,The story developed over several days. you’re welcome to follow it yourself.
http://spassbahn.de/view_topic.php?id=4820&forum_id=3
Just remember, since it was negative for Märklin, your “translator” wasn’t going to mention it.
Jack, there was really nothing to mention. There was a whole bunch of people mentally running in circles and not looking at the real problem. But that’s OK, we can’t all be analytically minded trouble shooters or have 30 years of background in that line.
There gotta be those who jump to conclusions, usually the wrong ones, and proclaim loudly that such or other is at fault.
To be honest it doesn’t even bother me, some people deserve to look dumb after proclaiming this, that or the next. Fora are the perfect venue for that kind of stuff!
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Let's see, critically reading four newspapers a day in childhood and you still end up blue collar? Now that's a bummer!
.... There gotta be those who jump to conclusions, usually the wrong ones ....
Jack Barton said:Jack,Hans-Joerg Mueller said:Let's see, critically reading four newspapers a day in childhood and you still end up blue collar? Now that's a bummer!
.... There gotta be those who jump to conclusions, usually the wrong ones ....
Which blue collar would that be? Or did you mean to refer to people who actually do some work instead of delegating it? If everybody would just talk about it … the world would be in worse shape than it is at present.
Will you be in charge of organizing the school bus routes that lead straight to hell? Will be doing a fine job, won’t you?!? :lol:
Again you remain confused. I have the greatest respect for all workers, including Blue Collar. I simply guessed that it must be disconcerting for YOU, the all-knowing, water walking, messianic guide to all things model trains or otherwise not to rise higher.
Jack Barton said:Jack,
Again you remain confused. I have the greatest respect for all workers, including Blue Collar. I simply guessed that it must be disconcerting for YOU, the all-knowing, water walking, messianic guide to all things model trains or otherwise not to rise higher.
Au contraire … from my point of view I picked the right spot and for some reason there don’t seem to be dull moments. Dull moments are for dullards. 
On that confusion bit … well I don’t know … the dizzy one seems to be a certain Ventilator who can’t get out of spin cycle.
Yet all the current “spin” comes from you. 4749 posts by you to my 318 on just this forum should indicate where the venting is coming from.
Jack Barton said:But but but Jack :) :D :lol:
Yet all the current "spin" comes from you. 4749 posts by you to my 318 on just this forum should indicate where the venting is coming from.
Unlike you, I didn’t join in March 2007 to start a little “lets help my dear friends at LGB/LGBoA” crusade.
Unlike you, I find a lot of other interesting topics here, apart from the never ending LGB saga and the related Märklin and PIKO topics.
Unlike you, I haven’t been on a special distribution list of any handler who pulls the strings.
That’s the beneficial flip side of not experiencing dull moments; waiting for handlers before proceeding to the next thought would be really dull. At least in my opinion.
Sooo … you’re quite right, there are distinct differences.