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The Humbug Cutoff

The Humbug cutoff

During our spring open house/run days a problem arose that we hadn’t encountered before. Visiting motive power and their train cars had engine and tender lengths that would not fit on the turntables, forcing said trains to have to back around to point of origin.

This scenario did not work well with what we are trying to accomplish with our operations, something needed to change. In discussion after operations it was decided that a wye would be a way to solve the problem. As two legs of the wye were in place it seemed like a simple matter to add the third side.

Well maybe not all that simple. A few things needed to be overcome.

  1. Cut a switch into the main line on a curve and change the switch throw from a target stand to a ground throw because of space limitations.

  2. The cut off had to run through an existing turn table and the approach to the TT had to be realigned.

  3. The biggie, 5 ½ inches of elevation change in 15 feet, a steep grade but hopefully doable.

  4. A possible four foot lift out section for maintenance access.

Nothing to it, just start building.

But wait a minute, why the name Humbug?

Well Webster says that.

Humbug generally means nonsense, deception, or a hoax. It can refer to a deceitful person, a fraudulent act, or simply something that is hypocritical or ridiculous.”

Well we thought it was ridiculous and pretty much nonsense to run a main line through a turn table but that is the only way it would fit. We couldn’t abandon the TT because it was needed for normal switching operations in that area so we had to go with it, besides it’s pretty cool.

In addition, the name Humbug is part of the name of the railroad whose equipment and owner brought this situation to light, more on that later.

On to the build and the pictures

Here you can see the layout of the situation as it exists. The mainline loop on the left goes up grade from front to back. The mainline across the back goes down grade from right to left. The PVC pipe on the ground is a layout to get a feeling for the curve involved.

The cut in location for the switch on the loop mainline

A closeup at the turn table end, I just couldn’t abandon this neat old square gallows turntable.

More to follow.

Great idea!

I have a similar situation on my indoor in the new shop. To continue a loop around the other wall would probably require the route be run through my turntable. A long lift-out bridge would also need to be part of it.

Rick,

Great minds think alike. I recently came across a number of words I want to incorporate into my layout.

The Honeyfuggle Mine is my current project.

Grandiloquent Words

I have a similar setup on my RR. I have a 24" turntable which will handle up to the GP38 and the 38 ton Shay but the 3 truck Shay and bigger will not fit so they need to travel back to the Wye.

I don’t have the room but it looks like you do. Instead of doing all that work to build in a wye and force bigger engines to run through the turntable, why don’t you just build a bigger turntable? Your gallows type could be moved elsewhere on the layout.

Good thoughts Todd. In fact I briefly looked at that idea but decided against it for a few reasons.
The rebuilding to increase the TT diameter would involve major remodel of the existing table and require the moving of 2 other tracks plus the building of a new pit and bridge for the TT. And we wouldn’t gain the operations capability that the wye adds to the area.
Thanks for the suggestion.

Rick, would connecting your new cutoff upstream of the TT (or to the mainline near it) achieve the same result? Probably not enough room for that though… And probably way too big a PITA to shift the TT benchwork to the right, and tie the cutoff in to the current turnout to the TT, maybe with a hinged flap.

Thanks Cliff,
Not really enough room for any of that to work. Can’t really shift TT or tracks to the right in this picture because of fencing and can’t expand to the left because of walk way clearances. Besides the TT pit rim is poured concrete and the base is cement board about a foot larger than the TT pit. Just for reference the TT pit is 34 inch diameter inside.

Thanks for explaining, Rick. I knew it was dumb suggestion, for the simple reason that if it was smart, you’d have already seen it.
Might the cutoff come in front (referencing your recent shot) of the TT, and avoid it? And on “this” side of the tree?
Don’t mean to question you… it’s just that I have a hard time comprehending a main line going over a turntable. But, maybe I’m missing something.

Seems like a lot of work when you could just run push pull service with cab(oose) control?

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Ric,

You could go full prototype.(Or not.)

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Me too, but that is why we named it the Humbug Cutoff :smiley:

The left hand Llagas Creek switch matched my radius almost perfectly, so it was an easy install. You see that the switch throw is very close to the stone wall that’s why I changed it to a ground throw.

Just proving the run through of the switch on the main.

Starting the install of the outside facia board. This is before prime and paint.

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I guess I’m slow.

Looking great, Rick!

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Some more pictures of the progress.

Getting the blocking and framing in.

Structure complete and painted ready for track

A short video of the first engine run on the new cutoff. As careful as I tried to be I still ended up with a slight bit of “tip over” you can see it just as the engine hits the TT bridge.

And that’s it.

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Holy cow, that was amazing lightning fast, Rick! And looks great!

Rick, your layout has always been amazing and you continue to add to that amazement. Love the way you approach a problem (or improvement): 1. Identify problem, 2. Develop plan, 3. Execute plan. Thanks for sharing.

Looks great. It’s pretty prototypical for there to be a bump entering and leaving a turntable. You might want to have a permanent slow order in the area.