the normal electoral map -
the electoral map with the states resized based on their population -
from a NPR story ( http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97338308 ) on Mark Newman’s book, “The Atlas of the Real World: Mapping the Way We Live”. -Brian
I posted that in the other thread–it’s an interesting map. I still think the more useful; map would be to show shades between red and blue. Missouri barely went for McCain, N Carolina barely went for Obama
Brian,
There’s some continent-internal shift in that map.
mike omalley said:Sorry Mike, I missed that.
I posted that in the other thread--it's an interesting map.
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Brian,There’s some continent-internal shift in that map.
-Brian
Brian interesting map that became totally untrustworthy and unreliable by the statement - “from a NPR story”. The crediability gap was lost as much as if you would have said, it came from Madeline Albright.
Ric Golding said:Ric,
Brian interesting map that became totally untrustworthy and unreliable by the statement - "from a NPR story". The credability gap was lost as much as if you would have said, it came from Madeline Albright.
Why does that make it untrustworthy? Is that because the Corporation for Public Broadcasting is mainly run by Bush appointed Republicans?
The CPB board from Wiki -
These eight board members are in office as of February 2007 (one seat currently vacant):
* Cheryl Halpern (chair), Republican, nominated January 2003 by President George W. Bush, confirmed by the U.S. Senate November 2003.
* Gay Hart Gaines (vice chair), Republican, nominated December 2003 by President George W. Bush, confirmed by the U.S. Senate November 2004.
* Beth Courtney, Independent, nominated April 2003 by President George W. Bush, confirmed by the U.S. Senate November 2003.
* Warren Bell, conservative Republican, first nominated June 20, 2006, by President George W. Bush. His confirmation was blocked, and on December 20, 2006, Bush appointed Bell as a recess nominee.
* Claudia Puig, Republican, nominated December 2003 by President George W. Bush, confirmed by U.S. Senate November 2004.
* Ernest J. Wilson III, Democrat, nominated to first term by President Clinton in 2000. Renominated to second term November 2004 by President George W. Bush, confirmed by Senate November 2004.
* former Senator David H. Pryor, Democrat, nominated June 2006 by President George W. Bush and confirmed September 2006 by the U.S. Senate.
* Chris Boskin, Republican, nominated June 2006 by President George W. Bush and confirmed September 2006 by the U.S. Senate.
Anyway, the story was just on the book which that map is from. The map is based on real math and I’m not sure how you argue with that.
-Brian
Brian Donovan said:Ric Golding said:Ric,
Brian interesting map that became totally untrustworthy and unreliable by the statement - "from a NPR story". The credability gap was lost as much as if you would have said, it came from Madeline Albright.Why does that make it untrustworthy? Is that because the Corporation for Public Broadcasting is mainly run by Bush appointed Republicans?
Brian,
Look at the listing you copied. Would you really trust any of those people with a dead cat?
If it is government sponsored and not the military, I don’t trust it. If it is the military, I cautiously accept it as necessary. It really doesn’t matter which party is in power. Its just that I feel a conservative agenda will do less harm. Beaurocrats tolerate politicians and know that they will be replaced evenetually. That’s like saying the Department of Education is there to help the children. They are nothing but a force to be reckonded with and they have an agenda to force feed our children with their view points, nothing more. Beaurocrats are the same, I’d certainly never trust any of them or what they say.
Ric Golding said:
Brian,Look at the listing you copied. Would you really trust any of those people with a dead cat?
If it is government sponsored and not the military, I don’t trust it. If it is the military, I cautiously accept it as necessary. It really doesn’t matter which party is in power. Its just that I feel a conservative agenda will do less harm. Beaurocrats tolerate politicians and know that they will be replaced evenetually. That’s like saying the Department of Education is there to help the children. They are nothing but a force to be reckonded with and they have an agenda to force feed our children with their view points, nothing more. Beaurocrats are the same, I’d certainly never trust any of them or what they say.
I mentioned once before–we have a good friend who is a “bureaucrat”–she works for the DOJ prosecuting illegal aliens who enter the US as criminals. You just dismissed all her work as worthless. Maybe she should not pursue murderers and rapists who enter the country illegally?
Would I trust any of those people with a dead cat? Well, I would have to meet them before I could tell if I could trust them. I’m not in the habit of dismissing people without actually knowing them.
The map is based on a statistical account of polling data. It’s the official election numbers. It’s not more or less trustworthy than the other map–it’s just a different way of presenting the basic data. It is, in fact and in every possible sense of the word, “true.” But that’s no reason to believe it, I suppose, when prejudices are so easy to maintain.
Hey Mike, Ric is really yanking your chain! Remember he’s from Southern Illinois, that’s a lot farther South than the Southside of Chicago. 
mike said:Let me guess, she is a GS 3 clerk who works part time and is usually out on sick leave, right? :D
I mentioned once before--we have a good friend who is a "bureaucrat"--she works for the DOJ prosecuting illegal aliens who enter the US as criminals.
mike said:Unless they are either Republican or Conservative, right? :lol:
I'm not in the habit of dismissing people without actually knowing them.
mike omalley said:With over 13 million illegal aliens in the U.S. and more than 5 million of them residing in California, I would suggest that your friend isn't doing a very good job. I certainly don't know her, but yes, I do dismiss her work as being very ineffectual. We would be better served by folks who actually do the job they claim to do and are paid to do. BTW, I am willing to revise my view of your friend's work. Just show me how many of these criminals she arrests and incarcerates every month.
I mentioned once before--we have a good friend who is a "bureaucrat"--she works for the DOJ prosecuting illegal aliens who enter the US as criminals. You just dismissed all her work as worthless. Maybe she should not pursue murderers and rapists who enter the country illegally?
mike omalley said:A "map" is a graphic representation of an area and its features. What you show above is not a map, but rather a goofy graphic pretending to show political data in a way that the presenter would like it to be. I'm certain you already knew that difference.
The map is based on a statistical account of polling data. It's the official election numbers. It's not more or less trustworthy than the other map--it's just a different way of presenting the basic data.
Happy RRing,
Jerry
Steve Featherkile said:Steve, If we dismissed you..............what would we have to talk about?mike said:Let me guess, she is a GS 3 clerk who works part time and is usually out on sick leave, right? :D
I mentioned once before--we have a good friend who is a "bureaucrat"--she works for the DOJ prosecuting illegal aliens who enter the US as criminals.mike said:Unless they are either Republican or Conservative, right? :lol:
I'm not in the habit of dismissing people without actually knowing them.
As for Mike’s good friend…she may be doing an excellent job. We have no way of knowing, one way or the other.
Just because there is a problem where you work, doesn’t mean you are the problem.
Ralph
Ralph Berg said:
.........Just because there is a problem where you work, doesn’t mean you are the problem.
Ralph
Have you ever seen the T-shirt with
“I have a very responsible position,
anything goes wrong, I’m responsible.”
Wonder if Steve has one?
Steve Featherkile said:Nope, not even thenmike said:Unless they are either Republican or Conservative, right? :lol:
I'm not in the habit of dismissing people without actually knowing them.
mike omalley said:Here's one instance:Steve Featherkile said:Nope, not even thenmike said:Unless they are either Republican or Conservative, right? :lol:
I'm not in the habit of dismissing people without actually knowing them.
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2008/October/08-crm-942.html
Jerry wrote: “With over 13 million illegal aliens in the U.S. and more than 5 million of them residing in California, I would suggest that your friend isn’t doing a very good job. I certainly don’t know her, but yes, I do dismiss her work as being very ineffectual. We would be better served by folks who actually do the job they claim to do and are paid to do. BTW, I am willing to revise my view of your friend’s work. Just show me how many of these criminals she arrests and incarcerates every month.”
So let me get this straight–you are arguing that since my friend hasn’t single handedly found every criminal among those 13 million illegals she is not doing a good job? I dn’t now how many she prosecutes (she doesn’t arrest them, she runs the case against them). I now how passionate and committed she is to the job. She would be very happy to have more staff so she could go after more people. But that would cost more in taxes, and of course we can’t have that. It’s much easier to just bitch about how government is no good. As for the idea that “We would be better served by folks who actually do the job they clam to do”–this is the DOJ’s job–they DO do what they claim to do. Their job is not to deport lllegals, or to arrest them–that’s INS. Their job is to prosecute criminals among the legal and illegal population.
Mike?
Your statement - “Their job is to prosecute criminals among the legal and illegal population.”
If some one is illegal aren’t they criminal? I expect her to prosecutes all of them. And no she doesn’t need more money or more help, just a willingness to do the job. Oh wait, is she a Union Federal Worker? Remember you said people that work for the government late at night are there doing a good job. What time of the day did that Watergate breakin happen? Noon? 2 pm? I think not.
Is that part of the “History” that you teach, Mike?
Ric Golding said:
Mike?Your statement - “Their job is to prosecute criminals among the legal and illegal population.”
If some one is illegal aren’t they criminal? I expect her to prosecutes all of them. And no she doesn’t need more money or more help, just a willingness to do the job. Oh wait, is she a Union Federal Worker? Remember you said people that work for the government late at night are there doing a good job. What time of the day did that Watergate breakin happen? Noon? 2 pm? I think not.
Is that part of the “History” that you teach, Mike?
My friend is a lawyer, not a local INS official. Do you think she should be riding around in a Bronco, shooting people? Or do you you think we should just round up anyone who looks Mexican and deport them? When you say “arrest and prosecute,” do you mean that my friend should be personally arresting all 16 million people and that everyone in the country illegally should be given a trial? That’s what “prosecute” means. Are you prepared to pay for that? Because right now persons in the country illegally don’t need a trial; to deport someone you simply have to establish that they lack permission to be in the country
But are you further saying that there is no difference between a guy who crosses the border to make some money for his kids and a guy who is a murderer who crosses the border to flee prosecution, and that the difference doesn’t matter?
My friend is not a “Union Federal Worker.” She’s not a member of any union
…grinning…
Ric Golding said:Ric,
;-)
You must have gone to church yesterday! 