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#1

K-27s Are In!
« on: Today at 06:33:45 PM »

Dear All,
We have taken delivery of all versions of the K-27, and we are now in the process of adding picture labels, manuals, and videos. We hope to be shipping by mid-week.
There have been reports that we are oversold. In fact, the only version sold out at this point is the #453 with doghouse (Item No. 83093). Many folks have indicated that they want multiple versions; if you miss the #453 this shipment, you may want to tell your dealer to substitute another version. In any event, production continues and the next batch will be in around early March.
Here’s to a K-27 under every tree!
Have fun!
the Bach-man

#2

Looks like the blog guy had that right on the money.
Wonder what else?
Personally, it is of no consequence to me one way or the other if they are sold out, here, or not here.
Never did make any difference, as I won’t run one here.
I am NOT going to rebuild my turntables just to get them to fit.

Internal company politics is beyond my caring.
Now we wait to see what else happens.

I am not involved, so am just going to be an interested bystander.

Plus, I wonder exactly how much fact we are getting anymore.

SOMEBODY is feeding that blog guy lots of data, and so far, it’s right.

#3

Neat. I need to save my pennies for the next run, unless Santa is going to be good to me this year…

#4

I just re-read several postings, and realized there is a big difference between sold and oversold.
If Bachmann sold them all, then nothing is “oversold”, rather “back-ordered”.
The DEALERS can be oversold.

Now we just sit back and wait.

#5

Curmudgeon said:
I just re-read several postings, and realized there is a big difference between sold and oversold. If Bachmann sold them all, then nothing is “oversold”, rather “back-ordered”. The DEALERS can be oversold. Now we just sit back and wait.

Hey Dave, you didn’t think that “fine point language” was a patented item from just one mfg, did you?? :lol: :wink: :lol: BTW the DEALERS can’t be oversold, they are undersupplied! There are days when I have a feeling that neither you nor I will be sent straight to hell when we die. :open_mouth: :slight_smile: St. Pete will send us right back down and we will be Sales and Marketing Managers. :lol: :wink: :lol:

#6

Heaven won’t have you and Hell is afraid that you will take over…:smiley:

#7
Steve Featherkile said:
Heaven won't have you and Hell is afraid that you will take over...:D
Yes Sir! It's a bitch! :lol: ;) :lol:
#8

Be afraid. Very afraid.

#9

Mwahahahahahahahaha…!

#10

Hi HJ:

You wrote: “There are days when I have a feeling that neither you nor I will be sent straight to hell when we die”

Dave and you together…

Can I think about this for awhile?

Never mind, I’ll call ghost busters.

Have Fun: Jeff

#11

Perhaps the two of you should start your own company and show the other manufacturers how it should be done.
You couls call it “Egos-R-Us” !

#12
John Joseph Sauer said:
Perhaps the two of you should start your own company and show the other manufacturers how it should be done. You couls call it "Egos-R-Us" !
JJ

You are, as always, full of s…uch good ideas! :smiley:

#13

While a little off topic as regards title heading, but concurrent with current comments, when a manufacturer sets out to supply the marketplace with a product then he should be open to suggestion/improvement ideas as to what changes are required to make a better product. We have the iconic manufacturer who ignored the requests of a major market segment and went ahead and produced a line of market product oriented goods which today are still just as unwanted as when initially released.

We have an American manufacturer who ignores constant reminders that his product has design flaws and continues to manufacture the same products disregarding the simple changes in production which will make a good product an excellent product. Another manufacturer who had a gear splitting problem, offered a stock of replacent gears to dealers who provided the consumers with them if they asked for them. Apparently the problem was far worse than anticipated and now the only recourse is to purchase replacement axles, complete with wheels and gears. A design flaw becomes a spare parts windfall for the manufacturer.

Hopefully the K-27 will not show to be such a product. It is mechanically very complicated and repairers/kit bashers will have a fine time deciding how to dismantle and repair this item considering the well known spare parts availability philosophy of the manufacturer. I consider a $100 - $200 loco (Annie/Connie) a ‘throwaway’ if unable to repair as return shipping costs to the States are around $200 - $300 USD for an Annie sized loco. A $700 plus loco is simply a nightmare if repair is required. Return shipping on the item would be around $350.00 plus. While a very desirable loco it will not be an addition to my railroad. I feel the forums will be filled with ‘How to’ posting threads for a long time to come as modellers realise just how complicated this loco is.

#14

What makes the new K-27 so much more complicated than other models? Excuse me if this is a dumb question but I’m really not that familiar with the mechanical aspect of the various loco models.

#15
Ray Dunakin said:
What makes the new K-27 so much more complicated than other models? Excuse me if this is a dumb question but I'm really not that familiar with the mechanical aspect of the various loco models.
I'm curious about that too. More complicated than a two trucked, 6 axled, 4 motored diesel? Or are we just talking lots of detail parts?

-Brian

#16

The drive on this loco has been complicated by the necessity to negotiate 8 foot diameter curves. The chassis uses an axle within an axle configuration to allow each inner drive axle to ‘swivel’ within the hollow outer axle casing. As stated previously let us sit back and await all the posting threads on the various forum sites. A few weeks ago we were lead to believe that the prototype exhibition chassis was not intended to be run and now we have stock almost in the stores. Who are we to believe???

#17

Tim-
Do you realize it was over three months ago the pre-production prototype was shown?
End of August, first of September.
Plenty of time.

I don’t think 8-foot curves is an issue.
My 1:22.5 K-27 will do less.

#18

Dave,
time flies. I believed the prototype chassis to be a cobbled up model to stay off any criticism that nothing was being accomplished. To enable a production run in the last three months implies that the prototype chassis was close enough to the production model. The criticism at the time that the chassis was little more than a development chassis, seems a little odd as no doubt a production schedule was already ‘in the can’ (based on the existing prototype chassis development).

#19

Once again, there is much weeping and moaning and speaking of doom … before we even see the loco - And before there are any delivery issues manifesting themselves. Why don’t we just hide and watch, and see what comes out of the tunnel? I realize that many here have their reputations based on griping all the time (and everyone thinks its terribly “cute”) but to start trashing a manufacturer before the fact is just bull exhaust. There is terrific demand for this loco. why? because it is a desirable product. If you don’t want one, then don’t order one. But don’t bitch up a storm ahead of the problems.

#20
Andrew Moore said:
Once again, there is much weeping and moaning and speaking of doom ... before we even see the loco - And before there are any delivery issues manifesting themselves. Why don't we just hide and watch, and see what comes out of the tunnel? I realize that many here have their reputations based on griping all the time (and everyone thinks its terribly "cute") but to start trashing a manufacturer before the fact is just bull exhaust. There is terrific demand for this loco. why? because it is a desirable product. If you don't want one, then don't order one. But don't bitch up a storm ahead of the problems.
Andrew. The issue is, if you've been following this on LSC and other forums, one resident of Chelmsford decided to alert the entire LS community to what he had been up to with Bachmann and this locomotive. We have HIS say-so, and the photos on the Bachmann forum, plus little bits of information from the Bach-man to comment on. Had said resident kept his mouth shut, we would all just be expecting a locomotive, and THEN we ALL could have viewed what it was and what was in it. Unfortunately, that was not the case, and we are dealing with the information available, plus the talk-don't talk-talk-don't talk, and the "they're here-they're not here" merry-go-round. Amazingly, the folks at Bachmann who I would have though were viewing all LS forums have not been, rather concentrating only on comments on their forums. With all the data published, true or not, when Bachmann hears it, they suspect a leak, and close off communications, even though the information has been out there for a LONG time. Some, it appears, comes from dealers. Some has come from Reps at shows. Some has come from Chelmsford.

Yeah, we’re waiting, but some of us not anxiously.