when your future in-law is arrested on six felony drug counts -
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081219/us_nm/us_palin_2
-Brian
Brian Donovan said:
when your future in-law is arrested on six felony drug counts -http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081219/us_nm/us_palin_2
-Brian
What do your in-laws, future or not, have to do with YOU or your politics? Do you get to select your mother-in-law? I think not. There is no linkage here. Not even politically. Sorry.
I never said it had bearing on anyone’s politics but political ambitions. If I was running and one of my in laws was accused of being meth dealer, I think that would have great bearing on press coverage and what the voters thought.
Actually, in a way, I did select my mother-in-law.
-Brian
I don’t know if who you are associated with by marriage, friendships, money laundering, or even dope deals matters or puts a damper on a person’s political ambitions. Everyone knew Obama came from Chicago Politics and he still got elected. Best politicians money can buy come from the streets of Chicago, checkout our Governor.
When it rains…
Ric Golding said:Really Ric? Then why was so much time and effort put into tying Obama to Ayers and Wright?
I don't know if who you are associated with by marriage, friendships, money laundering, or even dope deals matters or puts a damper on a person's political ambitions. Everyone knew Obama came from Chicago Politics and he still got elected. Best politicians money can buy come from the streets of Chicago, checkout our Governor.
-Brian
Brian Donovan said:Ric Golding said:Really Ric? Then why was so much time and effort put into tying Obama to Ayers and Wright?
I don't know if who you are associated with by marriage, friendships, money laundering, or even dope deals matters or puts a damper on a person's political ambitions. Everyone knew Obama came from Chicago Politics and he still got elected. Best politicians money can buy come from the streets of Chicago, checkout our Governor.-Brian
Perhaps because those were associations that Obama CHOSE that would reflect upon him directly? BIG difference between friends and political associates as opposed to in-laws.
“Really Ric? Then why was so much time and effort put into tying Obama to Ayers and Wright?”
People in Southern Illinois don’t like being associated with Chicago. There are actually people that think we are from the same state. 
You’ll have to fergive Brian, he just can’t help himself. 
I would not blame Palin for this, it’s pretty distant. The Mother of her possible son-in law?
What I would argue is that it indicates the phoniness of her rhetoric about “small town values,” or Ric’s argument that “chicago” is all bad. The idea that virtue is uniquely located in small towns seems ridiculous to me. Colin Powell recently criticized Palin for talking about “small town values” and small town Americans as the only real Americans. Powell said “I was raised in the south bronx and there’s nothing wrong with my value system.”
See here: http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=239923
It’s not that she has trouble in her extended family–most everybody does. It’s that she thinks small town people are better or more moral than urban or suburban people. But as Powell susggested, I hope she keeps pushing that line, because most people don’t live in small towns and they resent it when someone tells them they aren’t “real” Americans or that their values are inferior to “small town values.”
Which apparently include making oxycontin in your basement
Mike,
Pretty big statement about challenging what people value.
Powell has a right to think there is nothing wrong with his values and I certainly have a right to not agree with him or feel that politics in Chicago is corrupt.
I believe that freedom of thought is what many people in the USA, value.
I guess others value trying to force their values, beliefs and views of history on other people. Doesn’t always work, does it?
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I guess others value trying to force their values, beliefs and views of history on other people. Doesn’t always work, does it?"
As far as I can tell it never works, but then I’ve never tried to force my values or beliefs on anyone
What do you mean by “pretty big statement about challenging what people value?”
“As far as I can tell it never works, but then I’ve never tried to force my values or beliefs on anyone”
You may not mean to and I will accept that, but I feel you have tried to force your values and beliefs on anyone and everyone through out the “Off Topic” portion of this forum, since it has begun, on almost any subject. Your responses come across as quite inflammatory, arrogant and challenging in a very demeaning way. Most of us are having fun and bantering thoughts and really just enjoying life. Your responses come across, many times, as a challenge of someone’s moral values or even rights to existence.
"What do you mean by “pretty big statement about challenging what people value?”
Your statement - “What I would argue is that it indicates the phoniness of her rhetoric about “small town values,” or Ric’s argument that “chicago” is all bad. The idea that virtue is uniquely located in small towns seems ridiculous to me.”
I felt that you were doing your best to challenge my personal thoughts or statements on something that you seem to know very little about. If I want to feel that “virtue is uniquely located in small towns”, I have that right. If you want to state that that opinion seems ridiculous to you that is your right. Say that to my face, instead of on a computer screen and you might get a bigger challenge and response than you expected. Sometimes you may just need to accept that all people may not agree with you.
Merry Christmas.
Dear All,
Isn’t the whole law-making/law-enforcement/judicial/jail/prison/taxation/fine system set up to force other people’s beliefs and values on us?
I’m fed up with it, and I’m not gonna take it anymore! ANARCHY RULES !!
Note: devil’s advocate? tounge in cheek? just tryin’ to be a smarty pants? sumthin’ like that.
(Refuses to buckle in to the pressure to use emoticons or smiley faces.)
Joe Satnik
Stand your ground, Joe!
Mik, why is it when I argue a point I’m “forcing my beliefs” but when you argue a point it’s different? I’m just arguing positions–I’m not forcing my beliefs on anyone. You feel free to disagree, obviously, which is fine by me. I see this as a discussion, but you seem to think I’m somehow “forcing my beliefs” on you?
I’d be happy to say any of the things i said here to your face. Will you be at the ECLSTS? I will.
Ric Golding said:
"As far as I can tell it never works, but then I've never tried to force my values or beliefs on anyone"You may not mean to and I will accept that, but I feel you have tried to force your values and beliefs on anyone and everyone through out the “Off Topic” portion of this forum, since it has begun, on almost any subject. Your responses come across as quite inflammatory, arrogant and challenging in a very demeaning way. Most of us are having fun and bantering thoughts and really just enjoying life. Your responses come across, many times, as a challenge of someone’s moral values or even rights to existence.
"What do you mean by “pretty big statement about challenging what people value?”
Your statement - “What I would argue is that it indicates the phoniness of her rhetoric about “small town values,” or Ric’s argument that “chicago” is all bad. The idea that virtue is uniquely located in small towns seems ridiculous to me.”
I felt that you were doing your best to challenge my personal thoughts or statements on something that you seem to know very little about. If I want to feel that “virtue is uniquely located in small towns”, I have that right. If you want to state that that opinion seems ridiculous to you that is your right. Say that to my face, instead of on a computer screen and you might get a bigger challenge and response than you expected. Sometimes you may just need to accept that all people may not agree with you.
Merry Christmas.
Ric,
You have the right to feel that “virtue” is unique to small towns. But you should realize it is insulting to all “good” people living in urban areas.
As for Mike, I don’t see his opinions as being any more inflammatory or arrogant as your opinions or my opinions.
Opposing viewpoints are healthy for us all. I learn something from all the posts, whether I agree or not.
Sometimes we are all guilty of lacking “diplomacy” in our responses. That is OK. It just shows we are passionate about our views.
I hope neither you or Mike stop sharing your opinions with us.
And I’d be more than happy to share a beer with either one of you.
Ralph
Ralph, you’re a gentleman!
mike omalley said:
Mik, why is it when I argue a point I'm "forcing my beliefs" but when you argue a point it's different? I'm just arguing positions--I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone. You feel free to disagree, obviously, which is fine by me. I see this as a discussion, but you seem to think I'm somehow "forcing my beliefs" on you?I’d be happy to say any of the things i said here to your face. Will you be at the ECLSTS? I will.
Mik, I think Mike was directing that at me.
Mike,
I’ve been at the ECLSTS for years and plan to go this coming Spring. I’ll be glad to have a conversation with you or anyone there. I’ll act like a gentleman, as I always try to do. If you don’t wish to do that, we don’t have to talk on those subjects, but we can still enjoy the hobby of Largescale trains. I’m always in the alcove by the snack bar and restrrooms in the the layout hall.
Ralph Berg said:Ric Golding said:
"As far as I can tell it never works, but then I've never tried to force my values or beliefs on anyone"You may not mean to and I will accept that, but I feel you have tried to force your values and beliefs on anyone and everyone through out the “Off Topic” portion of this forum, since it has begun, on almost any subject. Your responses come across as quite inflammatory, arrogant and challenging in a very demeaning way. Most of us are having fun and bantering thoughts and really just enjoying life. Your responses come across, many times, as a challenge of someone’s moral values or even rights to existence.
"What do you mean by “pretty big statement about challenging what people value?”
Your statement - “What I would argue is that it indicates the phoniness of her rhetoric about “small town values,” or Ric’s argument that “chicago” is all bad. The idea that virtue is uniquely located in small towns seems ridiculous to me.”
I felt that you were doing your best to challenge my personal thoughts or statements on something that you seem to know very little about. If I want to feel that “virtue is uniquely located in small towns”, I have that right. If you want to state that that opinion seems ridiculous to you that is your right. Say that to my face, instead of on a computer screen and you might get a bigger challenge and response than you expected. Sometimes you may just need to accept that all people may not agree with you.
Merry Christmas.
Ric,
You have the right to feel that “virtue” is unique to small towns. But you should realize it is insulting to all “good” people living in urban areas.
As for Mike, I don’t see his opinions as being any more inflammatory or arrogant as your opinions or my opinions.
Opposing viewpoints are healthy for us all. I learn something from all the posts, whether I agree or not.
Sometimes we are all guilty of lacking “diplomacy” in our responses. That is OK. It just shows we are passionate about our views.
I hope neither you or Mike stop sharing your opinions with us.
And I’d be more than happy to share a beer with either one of you.
Ralph
Ralph,
I apologize that you, or anyone, is offended by my views on any subject. It is never meant as an insult, but it does amaze me that I’m not allowed to have those views or I’m thought less of because I do. I live and work everyday with the politics of Illinois, Springfield and Chicago. It is quite interesting. I am not surprized that many of our politicians end up in jail. I believe many more should be there and only stay out of jail, because of ruthless lawyers and monetary assistance in many ways. Come to my World and I’ll be glad to spend a day showing you examples of how we are impacted by politics on a daily basis. Its actually quite humorous and fun, but it is the real world. My wife and I chose where we live and where we raised our children. Yes, I am passionate about it. No, it is probably not right for everyone. But it fits us. Beer, Rum or Diet Coke, its all good and worth sharing with new or old friends and even strangers.