Large Scale Central

Summer Layout changes? Your criteria?

Considering a redesign or relocation of your garden RR?
Having seen abandoned garden RRs for all the wrong reasons, I offer the following - which I posted under a previous topic.

One BIG question any designer of change may ask is from what point in the yard is any revised railroad going to be seen? Do people expected to walk up to the layout or is it designed to be clearly seen and enjoyed from a nearby patio? Is there a nearby patio? Are there places to sit and watch? Is the design requirement from one member of the family – an accomodation to “allowing” a section of the yard for trains? Here’s my take on the critical need to speed time discussing BOTH the location of the layout and its configuration and the place from which it is to be observed:

1 - If the layout can be seen in its entirety without any head movement by the observers, it may soon be boring - such as staring at a small acquarium. Note the difference between watching train movement on an “L” shaped dog bone layout and looking at a 20 x 10’ layout from the same distance patio. If the entire 20 x10’ can be watched in one static glance, and the dog bone can not, one choice is percieved as “animated” and the other may not.

2 - If the layout can not be part of a social evening because guests walk to the layout, see it, say a few comments, hear a short speech from the host, and then return to the event location – patio, family room, etc. for the evening – the entire “see the train” event can become a few short minutes visit and efforts to lengthen that visit seen as an intrusion by the “other host.”. Anyone ever heard, “now, let me show you this!” The immediate response: “Later, dear, dinner is served!” A layout integrated into the social climate, running or not, is a garden easily visible from the social event location. Now, guests can watch or comment as they wish. Hosts can easily shut off the train if it proves a distraction (at least off with the sound) thus leaving only the garden and parked trains as stimulation and a compliment to the host and guest’s surroundings.

Our layout is a two-level garden feature directly off our patio. Both the patio and train area are designed to be integrated. After the trains have run for a while, and it starts to get dark, a street car makes its back-'n-forth trips on a single line after the other two trains are long shut down. The overly stated brillant lighting in the street car illuminates the plants traversing along a brick wall – a super visual effect during dinner. Because of the simple wiring and stainless steel track, there is no monitoring the operation such as at one of our friend’s layout: “Hey! Dad! The train’s off the track” as the host leaves the patio dinner table to walk across the lawn to shut down the derailed event. One more of those interruptions and there may not be another “train at dinner”. Because their train is clearly outside of the social event area, any maintenance is seen as a big social interruption – besides, the guests have seen it already during their arrival show 'n tell, and have stopped watching because it is simply too far away. Having areas near the garden RR whereby guests can take their social drinks or meals to the trains makes sense if the layout is integrated into and a compliment to a large yard. Obviously, people do eat in groups if there are locations to do so.

Any hobby that is a social distraction will be a source of conflict in a family – guaranteed.

Okay, that’s my take. I know if I hired any designer, or wanted a new garden RR layout, I would make clear the criteria of location in the yard related to where social gatherings are occuring before any pencil was on paper.

What’s your experience?

Wendell

I can’t say that I built mine with the thought of guests seeing it as it was more of a convenient location for me and the area it started in was a difficult location to do any thing else with. The convenience part was that it was close to the house and happened to have easy access to a garage window that I could use to run the trains in and out of. As it is now, it has evolved into a layout that almost wraps itself around the back porch and is easily viewed from that location.

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But I do have to agree with you. Though mine isn’t integrated “into” the social area, or built with that intention, it has turned out that way. It also wasn’t built to just sit and watch a train run as I’m more into the “hands on” type of operation. Another plus is that after dinner I can stand there on my back deck and view my “empire”, so to speak…:wink:

Wendell,

Why do garden layouts go dormant?

  1. Too much work - biting off too much or getting frustrated by the lack of progress on a large layout. Well welcome to the real world which intrudes on the hobby; you can’t be too careful when choosing what you would like on the GRR. Short attention span - make sure you can get whatever you desire as R-T-R.

  2. Too boring - sometimes a result of a) lacking vision and imagination, b) being in too much of a hurry, c) slipshod planning (if there even was any) leading to a slew of problems which get really boring.

  3. Garden railroading is really not all that interesting and the weather dictates too many aspects of the “fun”.

BTW omit the reference to the weather and all of the above apply to any model railroad, change a few more of the specifics and they can relate to any hobby. And I haven’t mention the “M” word yet! :lol: :lol: While teaching the “Model Railroading - The Basics” course or at shows the “M” question would be asked quite often. Basically it costs as much as you like to spend, there are always alternatives i.e. you can whittle your engines and rolling stock from scrap lumber found at building sites; you set the pace, you set the limits!

Wendell Hanks said:
Summer Layout changes? Your criteria?
1. Having summer. 2. Having a layout :D

(which there isn’t)

That’s a great looking layout, Ken!

Thanx Ray…and those are older pix. I should update them to show whats all there now.

There are many criteria I guess to having a garden railroad , running and enjoying it and sharing with others when possible.

The first, as far as I am concerned, is whether the ‘boss’ will welcome a garden railroad in her territory. I was lucky she was very supportive providing it was at dirt level and did not have the appearance of a racecourse.

Having got planning permission the next job was construction: this was totally dependent of size of back yard and money in the bank. lol

Once the railroad was built and a small stock purchased it was ’ all aboard’ so as to speak. Over five years of additions in stock and a few structures, plus some small track additions, I have often considered further track extensions. Aspirations and actualities are two different things and after a cup of tea/coffee common sense prevails and I accept that more track = more work and maintenance. My railroad is based on the KISS principle and gives me lots of pleasure: it has not become ‘work’ which, I feel, can be the springboard for changing hobbies. aaargh!

This year, in my part of England (renowned for its very mild climate) there has been a very early start to the growing season. In fact the plants, according to my wife, are at least a month ahead of their normal flowering season. Over the past month, in which I was unwell and did not run trains, a tremendous amount of plant and bush growth took place. This is now remedied and the ROW is now as I wish it to be lol. A benefit of this ROW maintenance work is that it gives us ‘oldies’ some of the exercise that we might prefer to avoid. Any MD would say it is beneficial.

Alan-
Great response. Your writing is reading pleasure. I hope you do more so.

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I had a large cedar hedge growing beside my layout. Had to dismantle entire layout because of the mess it creates. I have cut the layout down to half the original size. My neighbour has a pool and we both want our privacy. They allowed us to fasten a 1" bamboo fence to their chain link. The bamboo offers a great backdrop to the whole yard.

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This is an overview of the layout in the rough. It is 32 feet long & 8 wide and only has a 2% grade. More photos to follow. Regards, Dennis.