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Successful Locomotives?

Dear All,

I was looking at prototype steam loco stats here:

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/misc/largest.shtml

and found that many different categories and parameters were used to rate them. (Horsepower, draw-bar force, weight, length, etc.)

All a can of worms growing larger and wigglier.

Not that we need more stats to pile on, but I’m wondering if someone has rated the success of locomotives?

What parameters would you use? Total number of units sold? Percentage still in use after 10, 20, 30, 40 years?

Would you rate a single model, or perhaps a series of similar models (EMD F series, e.g.)?

I’m thinking you might use total sales $ adjusted for inflation. You might also have to adjust for total miles of track, since fewer miles of track means fewer engines needed/sold.

How about Total Ton-Miles hauled? Total Horsepower-Miles hauled? Total Tractive Force-Miles hauled?

Would there need to be separate categories for eras, passenger vs. freight, steam vs. diesel-electric vs electric, etc.?

In your opinion, which loco(s) was (were) the most successful? Why?

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Joe Satnik

Edit: added " Percentage still in use after 10, 20, 30, 40 years? "

Joe,

It is quite difficult to rate steam locomotives as to which is most successful. Most steam locomotives were custom built to each particular railroad’s needs even though there were what were called “stock locomotives” in some instances.

Some railroads had heavy grades and heavy tonnage and therefore a locomotive with smaller drivers and resultant slower speed but able to manhandle the trains up the hill would be successful. The same locomotive on a relatively flat railroad where speed was paramount might not be regarded successful.

By the same token a passenger engine designed to speedily pull the Flyer probably wouldn’t do well hefting freight tonnage.

Several railroads actually built better locomotives themselves than the traditional builders did although they often utilized components from the builders. Notable among these were the N&W and the Pennsy.

If a particular class of locomotives were to be considered the most successful then probably the USRA designs would win that honor. While there were undoubtedly “better” locomotives built later no group of locomotives can claim such wide acceptance until the diesel era.

Originally designed during WWI by the USRA (a government agency for the war effort) they included 0-6-0, 0-8-0, 2-8-2, 2-10-2, 4-6-2, 4-8-2, 2-6-6-2 and 2-8-8-2 wheel arrangements in light and heavy versions, all standard designs. Many USRA engines were built during and after WWI and even copies well into the thirties and operating through WWII.

Success can’t be measured by size, tractive effort, speed, alone since each railroad had its own specific needs. For example if you were only to consider rough, hilly logging spurs into the woods than the geared engine, especially the Shay would certainly be the champ. This lokie would be of little use pulling the 20th Century Ltd. however.

Arguments can be made for which engine was the biggest, the most powerful, the fastest, etc., but never really for the “best”. Even for the former criteria there are differences of opinion.

For diesels I would think the number of railroads using the type rather than the number sold. The number of railroads using a type would be indicative of its success in varied situations whereas such things as economy and traffic ups and downs would affect the quantity sold as much as its operational success.

I usually look at how long the design was used. The railroads generally didn’t use equipment that didn’t work well very long while designs they found useful got tweaked, rebuilt, new orders and such for a long time. Or at least before Amtrak

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