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Stimulus Watch - Pretty Interesting

General Discussion
#1

Since the links likely didn’t transfer, go the the main URL and find your state.

Barrack Obama 2/25/09, “there is not ANY pork in the Stimulus Package we just passed.” (paraphrased) he must have missed these.

This is very interesting. Just click on any state and the whole list will come up again and you can look at every project in the stimulus bill. Unbelievable!!
Find projects by state or territory
· Alaska (46 projects)
· Alabama (318 projects)
· Arkansas (199 projects)
· Arizona (743 projects)
· California (1971 projects)
· Colorado (201 projects)
· Connecticut (449 projects)
· Washington, D.C. (8 projects)
· Delaware (7 projects)
· Florida (1752 projects)
· Georgia (266 projects)
· Hawaii (316 projects)
· Iowa (51 projects)
· Idaho (348 projects)
· Illinois (1031 projects)
· Indiana (713 projects)
· Kansas (139 projects)
· Kentucky (524 projects)
· Louisiana (433 projects)
· Massachusetts (266 projects)
· Maryland (54 projects)
· Maine (72 projects)
· Michigan (782 projects)
· Minnesota (335 projects)
· Missouri (403 projects)
· Mississippi (552 projects)
· Montana (57 projects)
· North Carolina (319 projects)
· North Dakota (61 projects)
· Nebraska (154 projects)
· New Jersey (261 projects)
· New Mexico (215 projects)
· Nevada (163 projects)
· New York (289 projects)
· Ohio (847 projects)
· Oklahoma (223 projects)
· Oregon (159 projects)
· Pennsylvania (352 projects)
· Puerto Rico (340 projects)
· Rhode Island (116 projects)
· South Carolina (271 projects)
· South Dakota (30 projects)
· Tennessee (103 projects)
· Texas (1240 projects)
· Utah (298 projects)
· Virginia (400 projects)
· Vermont (61 projects)
· Washington (368 projects)
· Wisconsin (358 projects)
· West Virginia (1 projects)
· Wyoming (85 projects)
http://www.stimuluswatch.org/project/by_state

#2

David,
I see no pork in my State. Many street and water improvements, for the most part.
It can be argued that the local governments should be funding these projects.
But they are certainly not “pork” .
Unfortunatly, any jobs created will be temporary.
Ralph

#3

I have no problem with fixing roads and bridges, but to build a business venture, i.e. a sports stadium, an ice skating rink, etc. these are competitive with private enterprises.

What if you owned a building that was set up for conventions, concerts and large meetings and the Federal government decided via some Senator to build a second convention center a mile away bigger and better that you could afford? Sounds unfair to me. Liberals should be screaming about this practice as they are the champions of fairness.

#4

I took a look a my State, Washington, that I thought was one of the leaders with 368 projects, but is really a piker behind Ohio with over 800 projects, and found a few projects in Seattle (no surprise) that I would consider pork. Truth be told, I don’t really think that providing hand held ticketing devices to traffic enforcement police officers is going to provide much in the way of economic stimulus.

That’s just my opinion, your milage may vary. Perhaps they can hold them the old fashioned way, whatever that is. :lol:

#5
David Hill said:
I have no problem with fixing roads and bridges, but to build a business venture, i.e. a sports stadium, an ice skating rink, etc. these are competitive with private enterprises.

What if you owned a building that was set up for conventions, concerts and large meetings and the Federal government decided via some Senator to build a second convention center a mile away bigger and better that you could afford? Sounds unfair to me. Liberals should be screaming about this practice as they are the champions of fairness.


Well,
I would say some States have been more responsible with their requests.
But think about it. Rather than build roads I would like to see them finance entrepreneurs willing to build businesses that would produce a product and permanently employ Americans.
As always, the problem is making sure the money does what it is supposed, before and after it leaves the Government’s hands.
Ralph

#6

I think giving the $1.6 Trillion to the citizens equally would allow folks to pay down debt, the banks get the cash. Buy a new Hummer or Chevy, the car companies get that. Buy a new home to help the housing market. A Big screen TV to pay off China. Drugs to help Mexico.

The folks are debt free, happy and high, living in a new home. Besides it’s our money in the first place.

#7
David Hill said:
I think giving the $1.6 Trillion to the citizens equally would allow folks to pay down debt, the banks get the cash. Buy a new Hummer or Chevy, the car companies get that. Buy a new home to help the housing market. A Big screen TV to pay off China. Drugs to help Mexico.

The folks are debt free, happy and high, living in a new home. Besides it’s our money in the first place.


Giving it to the citizens IS the best way.
It didn’t happen because there is no way to skim off the top or make sure your cronies are took care of.
Ralph

#8

The so-called stimulus plans and bailouts that Bush started and Obama is now greatly expanding, are really nothing more than a continuing fleecing of the American Treasury and the American people.

Obama and company (especially his tax evading Secretary of Treasury) are simply giving huge sums of money to banks and financial institutions so that they (the politicians) can curry favor with the bankers while those same bankers and financial institutions cut credit, buy each other out, raise interest rates to new highs, and party, party, party. The liar in the White House terms this a “stimulus.” The guy on the street sees it as a robbing of the American people.

Giving money to states to build highways while the states add trash taxes like California’s proposed mileage tax and Washington’s proposed new tax based on engine size is not a stimulus, but again a taking of more of the financial crumbs left to the American people.

Raising interest rates and taxes while the economy is down and almost out is the antithesis of good management. In addition to the above mentioned mileage tax, we here in California are being treated to a nearly 14% increase in sales tax (the liars in Sacramento say is it a 1 cent or 1% increase), new undefined income taxes, doubling of auto license fees, and new septic and well regulations and testing requirements that will cost country homeowners at least $1000 / year plus creating a totally new bureaucracy in each county that will cost tens of millions. In my county, there are probably 10% to 20% of the houses that will no longer be allowed to be inhabited. The answer we are getting when we point to those facts are that it is for the good of nature, as if humans are somehow not “natural.”

And meanwhile in Washington and New York, the band plays on. I now hear that the tax evader Geithner is considering buying CitiBank with what used to be our money, so they can continue to screw the ‘common folk.’ That after they have already gotten over $45 billion in cash plus over $300 billion in cash guarantees. And there is no management change at CitiBank, so the same greedy multimillion dollar salaried guys who got us here are still in charge. They do now have friends in the White House who will do everything they can to preserve the lifestyle of the rich.

In addition, CitiBank has announced they will now spit into two operating groups, thus doubling the number of multi-million dollar salaries and bonuses they pay. BTW, they publicly say they have assets of over $1.1 Trillion (that’s $1,100,000,000,000). So why do they need bailouts and buyouts? Simple: Watch where the money flows.

At least Bush the younger could be seen as just not very astute. The new tenant in the White House, along with his friends, brings a whole new level of intelligence to the government sponsored thieving that is rampant in the so-called financial and political community. They are quickly driving this country into the most serious decline we have ever seen.

I’m now going to go throw up.

Happy RRing,

Jerry

#9

I find it reprehensible that a larger bank would use stimulus money to buyout a smaller bank ‘not large enough’ to receive the package. The money was intended as a ‘guarenteed’ source of money for the banks to lend to their customers to stimulate the economy, not buyout their competition and lessen competition in the market.

Maybe the government should have bypassed the banks and simply loaned the money directly to the consumers, thus directly impacting on the economy and not stimulatingthe wallets of the bankers.

#10

Jerry,
Quote: “At least Bush the younger could be seen as just not very astute. The new tenant in the White House, along with his friends, brings a whole new level of intelligence to the government sponsored thieving that is rampant in the so-called financial and political community. They are quickly driving this country into the most serious decline we have ever seen.”

I saw an interview recently with the ex-CIA operative whose memoirs were used as the basis of the George Clooney movie, “Syriana.” The ex-CIA operative stated that since the 2003 invasion, more than 120 BILLION dollars has gone unaccounted for in ‘spending’. His royal Arab sources advised him that corruption was rampant in Washinton, all the way to the oval orifice.

#11

This is very interesting ! I reviewed all the projects in my town and area . Most seem needed, some silly. Wow over 1200 in Texas .

#12
Tim Brien said:
I find it reprehensible that a larger bank would use stimulus money to buyout a smaller bank 'not large enough' to receive the package. The money was intended as a 'guarenteed' source of money for the banks to lend to their customers to stimulate the economy, not buyout their competition and lessen competition in the market.

Maybe the government should have bypassed the banks and simply loaned the money directly to the consumers, thus directly impacting on the economy and not stimulatingthe wallets of the bankers.


Tim,
There is no maybe about it.

That is the only solution.
…and do it through the Post Office.

Well, add in a properly applied Tobin Tax and much of the problem would disappear.

Then the USA could copy us.

For a change. :wink:

#13

Looking at the packages for Illinois, I see nothing for our 5 county Comunity College District and only one city mentioned in our 9 county Tourism Bureau District. Actually, could find very few programs in southern Illinois.

#14

There are several projects for Michigan but nothing around us.

Our roads on a whole suck in this state and can always use help. Most people will say it’s due to our weather but if you’ve ever seen the work these guys do around here you’d laugh the weather issues out of the conversation instantly. We had a road I use every day (to and from work) that was redone this past summer. It’s only about a mile stretch but it was closed for several months. They opened it in October and by Christmas it was like driving on a field of speed bumps. Is it better than before they did the work? Maybe a little bit but not worth the down time and money wasted on the project.

Jon.

#15

My county will receive ZERO dollars out of the 800 plus billions.
I guess my friends working 8 days a month are awash in prosperity.
Ralph

#16

I may apply for a US government grant to study the effect of liberalism on large scale train forums. I’d say a 5 year study with a $20 million budget ought to be about right, and not too greedy.

#17
David Hill said:
I may apply for a US government grant to study the effect of liberalism on large scale train forums. I'd say a 5 year study with a $20 million budget ought to be about right, and not too greedy.
David I can save you the trouble.

So that a balanced point of view is put forward. :wink:

#18

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