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Standard Gauge 1:20.3 Flat Car

Modeling
#1

Andre and I were talking about his kits

http://largescalecentral.com/LSCForums/viewtopic.php?id=11912

and I expressed interest in a 1:20.3 Standard Gauge Flat Car.

He asked me for a set of plans and that is where I ran up against the wall. I don’t know what to look for or where. I’m thinking a DRGW or PRR 30 to 40 foot flat car. It would be something that you could put standard gauge trucks under or if thinking it has been routed on the EBT, it could have been transferred to narrow gauge trucks for a trip down to Rock Hill Furnace.

Anybody have set of plans for something like that or know where to look?

Thank you in advance for your interest and any assistance.

#2

Ric,

Got to thinking and checked the Century Plus Ten book. Plenty of flat cars shown in it. Not sure if they were std gauge converted to NG or not. How would one differentiate them?

Andre`

#3

Here are 3 links Andre sent me to look at.

(http://kc.pennsyrr.com/freightops/images/acm_prr_f30d.jpg)

(http://www.linkandpinhobbies.com/Graphics/gl_flat.jpg)

(http://www.linkandpinhobbies.com/Graphics/MT_CS%20FLAT.jpg)

#4

Ric,
There are tons of guys that model the PRR in HO or N perhaps look in that direction?
After I built Lemo Tower I realized that Model RR Mag. had already printed specs for this tower in HO about 10yrs ago.
Kinda bored and started looking …found this and thought it may interest you
http://www.multimodalways.org/docs/railroads/companies/PRR/Ports/PRR%20Philadelphia%20Port%209-1949.pdf
Thanks I’m not bored anymore
:slight_smile:

#5

Dave,

Great photos! The NY harbor scene has been a fascination of mine for a long time. Same for Philly, Baltimore and the southern ports. I’ve always thought you could build a huge switching layout, ust going from marshalling yard to piers, to ferry aprons. The B&O Histoical Society did a series, maybe 5 years ago, about their insertion into Manhattan and having no tracks over a mile long on the island. Everything arrived and left by ferry to warehouses and transfer stations and most under the West Side HIghway.

#6

Andre,

Thinking about what I’ve asked, I think a good example of a flat car would be a standard gauge car that could also be the base of a gondola or box car. Maybe the base and frame work is already amongst what you have created. However, I guess there may be heavier trussing underneath because of nothing structural above.

I remember watching Dave Queener’s wife building a standard gauge flat at the Narrow Gauge Convention. Plans seem to be the key.

#7

I came across this PRR Fish Belly Flat Car -

http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=FM-E98480revA.gif&sel=flat&sz=sm&fr=

at this site -

http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?sel=flat&sz=sm&fr=

What do you guys think of this car as an example of a good standard gauge flat car? Andre, pretty interesting site.

#8

Hey guys, this is quite a site -

http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?sel=&sz=sm&fr=

May not satisfy the Colorado modeler, but for basic standard gauge references this is pretty good. i’m going to include it in the Articles section for future reference.

#9
Ric Golding said:
I came across this PRR Fish Belly Flat Car -

http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=FM-E98480revA.gif&sel=flat&sz=sm&fr=

at this site -

http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?sel=flat&sz=sm&fr=

What do you guys think of this car as an example of a good standard gauge flat car? Andre, pretty interesting site.


Isn’t the internet just the greatest thing. A wealth of information at our fingertips.
Imagine the work you would have had to do 30 years ago to compile the information on just this one web site.
Ralph

#10

You know this is really true. It is almost more of a case of trying to figure out the right question to ask, than actually finding the information. As each year passes, more and more info is transferred to that “Information Super Highway” and if you can remove the fiction from the fact, you can get what you need. There is also a great feeling that you are almost cheating society because the Government can’t figure out how to control it.

:wink:

Can’t you just feel their frustration?

#11

Shucks, I’m looking for DRGW 1920s flatcars!

#12
Doug Arnold said:
Shucks, I'm looking for DRGW 1920s flatcars!
Doug,

As much stuff as has been documented on the DRGW, I would think you would be able to find that.

Do you want standard or narrow gauge?

#13

(http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/Flatcars//sm_FM-early.gif)

Bart helped me identify a correct type car from the PRR web site. Andre`

#14

What I’d like to do is buy about three of them in standard gauge.

#15

Since I’m the instigator, I’d certainly take one.

You know these would also work as a bridge for a road or lane in the scenery division.

#16

A very comprehensive we site Ric. It could keep a scratch builder busy for a lifetime. lol

Great find!

#17

Just one question - where are you going to get hold of standard gauge trucks?

Over here the Gauge Three society has British-style trucks to suit the 64-ish mm track, but you are proposing standard gauge based on 1/20.3, are you not? 70.7mm gauge track?

tac
www.ovgrs.org

#18

I stopped looking at the PRR sites awhile ago as my brain was melting but kinda refreshing after a break…Thought PRR sites might help and glad to see you found what you were after.

#19

Check out the old Car Builder’s Cyclopedias of various years. They’re chuck full of photos, specs, plans for all kinds of cars plus ads & data on about every kind of rolling stock appliance you can think of. For standard gauge cars appropriate to operate alongside narrow gauge RR’s you’d probably want a Cyclopedia from 1940 or before.

#20
Doug Arnold said:
Shucks, I'm looking for DRGW 1920s flatcars!
Doug,

Check this site of plans in the NG&SL Gazettes

http://urbaneagle.com/slim/NGSLGplanlist.html

And look at July/Aug 1981. I’m sure somebody has that issue and can tell you if it would work for what you want.