Large Scale Central

Spokane International - Southern Division

I have been somewhat of a lurker here for several weeks, and have learned a LOT. I have looked at a lot of layouts, magazines, and catalogs, and have determined it is time to jump into the breech (as it were), and see what you all think of my plans. Please don’t be too polite, I am ready for the helpful criticism that I know will emanate from this learned group.

I live in Santa Clarita, California (Los Angeles County). My prototype is the Spokane International Railroad from about the late 40’s (Diesel Era) up to and including the late 70’s. I am from Spokane, and had in-laws that spent their entire RR careers on the SI (later the U P) lines. I have yet to decide the final name for the road, but for sure a portion of it will include the Spokane International Southern Division. Since I have spent the past 40 years in the Sand & Gravel Quarry business, with 25 of that including a Ready Mixed Concrete Division, I HAVE to have a mine/quarry in the system somewhere. That portion will be narrow gauge, and use a small steam type locomotive for moving mine and ore cars.

I have the luxury of a large yard area to work with. The initial piece will be about 16’ wide by about 60’ long, and will be elevated for convenience. The plan for that area is a switchyard with RR offices, along with support buildings, and a small town center. I have a “Google Earth” view of the old SI yard in Spokane, and have a friendly draftsman tracing that into Autocad for me. I plan to roughly emulate that yard layout, most likely deleting the turn table and round house for obvious reasons. I plan to have all the plans in Autocad, a program with which I am marginally proficient….

Following that is a three to four foot drop to a large (60’ X 100’) relatively flat area which is now grass. Plans for that area include a through freight line that will allow LONG trains, of the type brought into Spokane by the SI, to have long runs and WIDE turns to enjoy. Possibly a passenger line can co-exist in that large an area. Along the way are to be two towns, named after my grandkids. Tyler will have “Tyler Town”, and her brother Kaden will enjoy “KadenVille”. “Tyler Town” will be ‘girly’ in nature of course, with brightly colored buildings fit for a young lady’s enjoyment. “KadenVille” will be the mining town, and will have trucks, tractors and loaders, just like at “gampa’s work”.

I am still a little ‘on the fence’ about control. Given the layout will be fairly sizeable, I am leaning toward Radio Control. I am truly open to suggestions on that front especially. The elevations changes will allow some nice trestles and bridges, and various landscaping features will include mountains to tunnel through and water to cross. As this plan matures, I will undoubtedly change my mind a thousand times, but isn’t that part of the fun?

Diesel power will be Alco RS-3’s because I can’t yet find RS-1’s which were the engine of choice on the SI. A proper era U P passenger train will evolve, along with some ‘borrowed’ U P switchers to work the yard and mill site. I recently joined the Santa Clarita Garden Railroad group and look forward to their advice as well. There you have it… let me know what you think, and don’t worry I have fairly thick skin……

Welcome aboard, Ben! Sounds like a pretty nice layout you have planned.

Me…polite.!! Ya gotta be kidding…:smiley: :lol: :wink:

Welcome aboard!! You’ve picked a fine railroad to model. And I think RS3’s would make fine stand-ins for the RS1’s that are not available…except I have one. :stuck_out_tongue:

If you are going to be outside, and with a layout the size you describe, the only way to go is R/C. The choice you have is whether you will lay stainless track and use the Aristo Train Engineer for Track power. Or lay cheaper track…aluminum is the cheapest…and go batteries. I would vote for batteries since you are just starting out. The easiest way would be a battery car with the RS3. Using a battery car you can run different locomotives without the expense of R/C for each and every one. As your layout progresses you may then wish to go to on-board batteries and a system more like RCS or Air Wire.

Warren is right about him being polite. He didn’t call me a moron, but only because Bob wouldn’t let him. :lol:

Welcome to LSC. I think you will like it here. Your plan sounds fine. R/C is one of the best ways to go. There are many systems to use, take a look around and decide what is best for you. Since you live in SoCal, you might take a look at DCC (did I say that out loud?) :smiley: Greg Elmassian (www.elmassian.com) uses it and has a lot of good things to say about it.

Warren and I live around Spokane, Warren in Hilyard, and I in Deer Park, so we are both familiar with the SI. Good choice.

Again, welcome to LSC.

madwolf

Welcome aboard…I 'm fairly certain yer in on of the easiest places in the world to build an outdoor line. One thing I will say is go with radio control and batteries from the start…Yeah costs a little more, but its better to do it as you go than equip a whole fleet later. Also, go with KD couplers from the start…and steel wheels…much easier to go witht he flow than try to do it later…ask me how I know…

As for an RS1…how are your scratch bashing skills? The RS3 is pretty much what ya got, but with some sheet styrene and shapes an proper reference material, anything is possible. I always preferred the more angular look of the RS1 to the 3 myself…

Ben, my fine son; WELCOME to LSC…

Since you live in the upper end of the Left Coast; before you do anything; GO VISIT DAVE GOODSON, and let the fine fellow preach to you on the merits of R/C Battery power. Let him show you a bit of operation, before you start building a pike.
If you rush ahead, you may make the same mistakes we all have made. Why make them again. Take your time.

Do much research, and take your time. The fun comes with smal successes…

Hi Ben,
I’m still working on your DVD from Jens Bang.
I don’t know much about the dismal-ization of the SI,
But I have quite a few pics of the steamers the SI used. Including their roundhouse.
I can also send you a source for SI decals, in case you are interested.
TOG

Welcome Aboard Ben,

Glad to see that you have choosen the Spokane International to model. You and I will have to keep in touch. I have been researching and collecting photo’s, plans, etc for years to model the same road. I originally planned on scratch building the RS-1’s using the power trucks and base frame from the Aristo Craft RS-3’s, but I have desided to wait and paint my RS-3’s in Northern Pacific livery.

How did you get the old site picture of the SI yards. I’ve been looking everywhere for this information, I’ve wanted to model this yard.

As far as track power VS radio control. There is no question, go AirWire 900 and batteries. It will cost you about $375.00 to get started with the decoder and hand held receiver. Then you only need the battery. It is also cheaper to add sound as Phoenix Sound makes a sound board just for DCC or battery.

If you’re interested in some information about the AirWire system, e-mail me your address and I’ll send it to you. I’m an AirWire 900 and Phoenix Sound dealer in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho.

Chuck
C & C Railroad Distributor