Yea, with the ups and downs of LGB, some folks are who are selling LGB are pricing it like its gold.
Ok, forget what I just said.
I just won an online auction for an LGB Mogul for. $176. I wonder what shape it will be in when it arrives. The photos of it looked good though.
Keep us posted on what sound unit you get. Mine my need some sound too.
Here is the one on Ebay
It has sound and head light but nothing is mentioned about smoke, I have asked the seller if it has smoke but he hasn’t replied to me.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/141279814989?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Mark, that is a Mikado. Not a Mogul.
All LGB moguls had 5 volt lights and all had 5 volt smoke units.
The biggest difference was in the engine to tender connections as follows:
3 wires only, 3 pin connector, used for track power and rear light. 2018D and 2028D
3 wires only, 6 pin connector, used for track power and rear light. 3 unused pins.
6 wire connector, but 2 versions of use.
Older locos had 3 wires for track and rear light, 3 wires for chuff sensor.
newer MTS locos had sound board in engine and now 2 wires for track power, 2 wires for light and 2 wires for speaker.
So, be careful mixing different engines and tenders.
Oil tender had 5 pin connector to mogul and is the same wiring as the 2-4-0 with the 69232 tender.
I have added a decoder at Train-Li to many of these engines and control the LGB smoke with 3 heat settings, plus added firebox flickering lights. Plus I did 2 of my own.
The all in one decoders give more realistic sound as when slowing down or coasting, there is no chuff and smoke unit goes to lower power for less smoke.
And Vincent is close enough to me for a hands on conversion for any method he choses to use for sound install.
Dan Pierce said:
All LGB moguls had 5 volt lights and all had 5 volt smoke units.
The biggest difference was in the engine to tender connections as follows:
3 wires only, 3 pin connector, used for track power and rear light. 2018D and 2028D
3 wires only, 6 pin connector, used for track power and rear light. 3 unused pins.
6 wire connector, but 2 versions of use.
Older locos had 3 wires for track and rear light, 3 wires for chuff sensor.
newer MTS locos had sound board in engine and now 2 wires for track power, 2 wires for light and 2 wires for speaker.
So, be careful mixing different engines and tenders.
Oil tender had 5 pin connector to mogul and is the same wiring as the 2-4-0 with the 69232 tender.
I have added a decoder at Train-Li to many of these engines and control the LGB smoke with 3 heat settings, plus added firebox flickering lights. Plus I did 2 of my own.
The all in one decoders give more realistic sound as when slowing down or coasting, there is no chuff and smoke unit goes to lower power for less smoke.
And Vincent is close enough to me for a hands on conversion for any method he choses to use for sound install.
Dan, do you sell the sound units also or just install?
Tony Walsham said:
Mark, that is a Mikado. Not a Mogul.
UGH!!! Sorry trying to deal with too many things and I confused my engines. Here is the Mogul I am looking at http://www.ebay.com/itm/LGB-28192-G-SCALE-PRR-PENNSYLVANIA-2-6-0-MOGUL-STEAM-LOCO-TENDER-W-SOUND-RC/131001377912?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222003%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23311%26meid%3D7289954634811422222%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D9834%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D130878091724&rt=nc
Vincent D’Agostino said:
I found a brand new (very old stock) LGB Mogul 23191
As seen here:
My local dealer has had it for 10 or so years (bought it for a customer that never picked it up), even though I have been in his shop hundreds of times I have never noticed sitting in the back of his display case covered in dust.
Needless to say it will be coming home with me in the next few weeks.This model does not have sound, it is a German made LGB model (if that matters for install)
Not sure if the tender has a speaker installed or not (so I may need one)
Looking for tips on what is the simplest sound system I can install in this unit that sounds good.
Just running track power, no remote setup, nothing, just a set-it and forget-it running train.I have some old phoenix systems installed in other engines and they sound fantastic, but when I look on there website and see the different boards, speakers etc. I get confused and have no idea what I would order.
Doesn’t have to be Pheonix, just needs to be easy to install. price not a issue.
Thanks,
Vinny
What is your control system? If you have DCC or are considering it, the zimo dcc sound decoder is a good option, and their LGB Mogul sound file sounds very nice. Here’s a video of my 23192 running with the Zimo decoder and that sound project:
Does your mogul have chuff triggers on its drive axles? That will make the sound work much better, as otherwise, if you’re not going DCC, you’ll probably have to go with reed switches on the tender axles/wheels. Personally, I’m not a fan of that arrangement. One of the reasons I went ahead and made the leap to DCC.
You are right, Tony. The P8 only works for me because all of my engines are battery powered. The P8 works great under those conditions. I guess if one were running on regular track power they would need the PB11.
Ed
Mark Demyan said:
Tony Walsham said:
Mark, that is a Mikado. Not a Mogul.
UGH!!! Sorry trying to deal with too many things and I confused my engines. Here is the Mogul I am looking at http://www.ebay.com/itm/LGB-28192-G-SCALE-PRR-PENNSYLVANIA-2-6-0-MOGUL-STEAM-LOCO-TENDER-W-SOUND-RC/131001377912?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222003%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D23311%26meid%3D7289954634811422222%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D9834%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D130878091724&rt=nc
We bought this one, figured if we don’t like it and still want the Mikado we can sell this one.
TJ Hickman said:
Vincent D’Agostino said:
I found a brand new (very old stock) LGB Mogul 23191
As seen here:
Just running track power, no remote setup, nothing, just a set-it and forget-it running train.
Thanks,
VinnyWhat is your control system?
oops
Vincent, I work with Train-Li repairing and installing Zimo decoders.
And I have done repairs for many years at my club meetings.
And FYI, the zino decoder can create timed chuff from back emf. When coasting, there is no chuff from these engines as there is no need for pwer.'The decoder does this electronically.
You need to call me for more info.
Picked up the Mogul today…looks and runs fantastic, still need to make a decision on a sound system…
The LGB mogul sound units will not work unless you get the sensor input for speed.
LGB had 2 different rear axle sensors for this.
And if the chuff was not active, then the bell and whistle would not work.
If the board was 2 large stacked boards then it is the old analog sound and to me is horrible, I usually sell them.
For upgrading engine sound, all in one decoders (motor, lights, sound) have a cost of under $200m but for DC Phoenix cost is higher and can only do sound.
And the all in one decoder can run on analog or digital layouts.
Dan Pierce said:
The LGB mogul sound units will not work unless you get the sensor input for speed.
LGB had 2 different rear axle sensors for this.
Dan, do you have the sensors for the speed?
The unit works and sounds okay for my needs, but definitely needs speed sensors.
I do not have the sensor, but I did figure how to simulate it on a tender axle.
The board is looking for a voltage transition, so you need to use resistors to create a small voltage and the reed sensor to short one out. 3 resistors in series, the reed shorts out the middle one. I forgot the values I used and it is a friends engine as I do not use these old 2 stacked boards.
To make this board work properly you need the LGB rear axle and sensor form the older engine.
LGB had 3 different rear axle mogul sensors depending on the board in the tender or MTS in the engine. Latest is a small board with hall effect sensors (bell, whistle, and chuff)
When I put sound in a 2119d mogul, I used LGB’s self contained USA steam sound unit, along with the trigger unit that mounts on the tender truck and the backup power unit to allow standing sounds and fix cutting out at low track voltage/slow speed running. That sound unit had the same digital sounds from the late model moguls,(pre LGB bankruptcy era). I have an old PH Hobbies mogul sound unit, but its missing all the sound trigger reed switches. Its free to anybody that can use it. Just taking up space in my G scale drawer of stuff. Mike
Mike, I have a mute mogul that would just love to have it.
PM me your addy and I will stuff it in a small flat rate box. All the brown wires that are cut used to go to reed switches to sense track and axle magnets to trigger the chuff, bell and whistle. Mike