Large Scale Central

Servo controlled Kadees

I bought a pair of the #1 version with complete assembled gearbox. Very nicely engineered product, however since the knuckle isn’t offset it won’t fly with the usual LGB mount.

Cut and fit will be a real challenge on some of the engine types.

IOW it’s on to Plan B to see how to skin this rabbit.

Hans-Joerg Mueller said:

I bought a pair of the #1 version with complete assembled gearbox. Very nicely engineered product, however since the knuckle isn’t offset it won’t fly with the usual LGB mount.

Cut and fit will be a real challenge on some of the engine types.

IOW it’s on to Plan B to see how to skin this rabbit.

I mounted the “G” version to my LGB/Aster K-28. I had to make a coupler pad mount for it. Can’t remember but I might have had to cut off some tender material as well to get the right height. I also use 4-40 screws to secure the coupler box. I drill and tap into the tender and the coupler pad for the screws.

The conversion is just like any other Kadee body mount conversion for “LGB” style equipment…meaning some body cutting may be needed and you’ll have to make a coupler pad.

The Kadee height gauge is also a very useful tool for these types of coupler conversions.

Thanks Matt, I’m in the process of body mounting one on the Ge 4/4" electric. So far so good, milled out the clearance on the frame, glued in the pad and voilà …

Having established the proper height above railhead should help with the rest of the electrics roster.

Looks good.

I’m sure you are going to really like the flexibility these auto couplers add. No more reaching down to uncouple in tight spaces is a real plus.

Yep, for sure. Our layout is point to point and at each end there’s a change of engines, so that’s one application. If I can come up with a tidy solution for the old Kroks I’ll be really smiling.

Jim Agnew from our club has been toying around with the remote couplers for quite a while now… He doesn’t post much here, however, he has posted a few items about them on MLS…

He has some mounted on locomtives and some gondolas, using various transmitters to work with the couplers…

I strive to use “centerset” couplers only. The large offset couplers that are the “drop in” fit on many locos cause issues when there is a lot of stress (long trains) on the couplers.

This stress almost always exhibits itself as one coupler riding up over the other and uncoupling.

(message is: the extra work to mount centersets is offset by increased reliability)

Greg

Greg Elmassian said:

I strive to use “centerset” couplers only. The large offset couplers that are the “drop in” fit on many locos cause issues when there is a lot of stress (long trains) on the couplers.

This stress almost always exhibits itself as one coupler riding up over the other and uncoupling.

(message is: the extra work to mount centersets is offset by increased reliability)

Greg

Yep, Ive noticed this as well. I have a couple of locomotives out of service right now because the couplers bend when pulling a string of heavy cars.

Long heavy trains is one thing I don’t have to worry about.

Hans me either. But the coupler on my RS3 would droop and ride under the coupler on the lead hopper of the coal drag. So I had to cobble together a center-set coupler into a modified 831 box to correct that “feature”

Yeah, there will be a bit of re-engineering coming up here, too.

Which reminds me, one of the kids in a FB group linked one of those “you’re best suited for” multi choice questionnaires - no spelling required, you just tick the box.

Sooo he’s best suited to be a Scientist.

Hmmmm he’d have a hard time spelling scientist on a good day.

But I just had to try it. My result: Engineer. Ah well … (http://rhb-grischun.ca/phpBB3/images/smilies/3.gif)

Hans, mine would be pain in the…behind. :wink: :slight_smile:

Sorry, drooping couplers under load is just one of the “drooping” or “poorly aligned” couplers problem.

Couplers catching the uncoupling arm, not functioning well with other couplers, etc. I like Kadees, but they do take more care in getting a good, rigid mount.

Properly set up, I think they are the best choice for operation. I’m 1:29 so my choices were Aristo, USAT, and AML. All of them do not always couple smoothly or easily, some of them let go under tension, etc.

Regards, Greg

Up to early '75 I put up with the European Märklin type couplers. Then the penny dropped, when working on the layout at a hobby shop I got acquainted with Kadees.

While the layout experience was sub-par - they made every mistake already in the book and then added their very own, too - it was the start of “Kadee it will be for me”. Doesn’t matter which scale or with what “new and improved” they came up in Euro model railroading, Kadee is the cat’s meow for my applications.

Greg Elmassian said:

Sorry, drooping couplers under load is just one of the “drooping” or “poorly aligned” couplers problem.

Couplers catching the uncoupling arm, not functioning well with other couplers, etc. I like Kadees, but they do take more care in getting a good, rigid mount.

Properly set up, I think they are the best choice for operation. I’m 1:29 so my choices were Aristo, USAT, and AML. All of them do not always couple smoothly or easily, some of them let go under tension, etc.

Regards, Greg

Greg, the coupler on my RS was mounted at the proper height, it just wasn’t quite ridged enough. When the train crested the summit, the slight angle between the long hopper car still on the grade, and the RS3 leveling out, would cause the coupler on the RS3 to deflect vertically. It didn’t always slide out of the hopper car’s coupler, but every once in a while is every once in a while too often.

Yea, I didn’t like the way I had to really bang cars together to couple Aristo couplers, and the USA ones were the most prone to opening on my railroad, usually at the summit. Having a train come careening down my 2.5% grade, backward, is very unsettling.

Hans, yea I got hooked on KaDees back when I had an N scale layout. Back then they were KaDees, not Micro Trains like they are now. So when I found out that KaDee made couplers for large scale, it was a no brainer for me. I just had to do it in stages due to the cost of upgrading a fleet of cars. I say fleet, but I must have 3 to 4 times as many cars now as I did then. But now I have a stash of KaDees, and when I buy a car at the ECLSTS, I also buy KaDees for it as a mater of routine.

I hear you on the RS, long loco with a very poorly assembled mounting area.

I have some tips on making it more rigid: http://www.elmassian.com/trains/motive-power-mods-aamp-tips/aristo-motive-power/rs-3

My buddy Ted Doskaris put some additional bracketry in to make it stronger and get the ends square with the body, I just can’t find his pictures right now.

Hey, my main grade is 3.4% and I had a 45 car train uncouple at the loco and roll away 60 feet! I know how you felt!

Greg

Greg, yes its unsettling. Especially after the curves I have a relatively straight section for the train to gain momentum on, then it crosses the bridge and into another curve. Its off of that curve where I used to pick up the scattered cars from those uncouplings.