Well if you’re going to give me reasonable responses. I’ll just have to storm off in a huff!
Thanks for the sympathy. Stones are still lurking ad I’m carrying a bottle of painkillers around. Wednesday night is not an experience I want to repeat, but I don’t think I have a choice
Sorry about the stones Mike…never had and from I hear I hope I never do.
I’ve read the AIP website and if I lived in Alaska, I’d probably join it. From what I see only about 3% of the population up there has any affiliation with it. Doesn’t seem too radical to me and I didn’t see anything on there about succession just 4 choices.
From the website:
Welcome to the home of
The Alaskan Independence Party
UPDATE September 3, 2008 Noon ADT
It has been brought to our attention that there is a COUNTERFEIT SITE now up on the net. This site is a FRAUD and has infringed our copy write. We are presently seeking legal recourse.
Contrary to initial reports, Vice-President candidate Governor Sarah Palin was never a member of our party.
We stand corrected. We issued a press release today. It is posted here to those members of the media who did not recieve it.
Todd Palin was registered as a member but never participated in any party activities aside from attending a convention in 1994.
Goals
Until we as Alaskans receive our Ultimate Goal, the AIP will continue to strive to make Alaska a better place to live with less government interference in our everyday lives.
The Alaskan Independence Party’s goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:
1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.
The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party’s founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences.
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“Still, ‘dum vivo spero’ as my old da used to say [but in Irish of course].”
How about a translation for us ignorant colonials…
mike omalley said:
Well if you're going to give me reasonable responses. I'll just have to storm off in a huff!Thanks for the sympathy. Stones are still lurking ad I’m carrying a bottle of painkillers around. Wednesday night is not an experience I want to repeat, but I don’t think I have a choice
I’ll have you know that my responses are always reasonable. It’s your interpretation of them that are unreasonable!
I’ll wait 'til the stones pass (like waiting for the cows to come home) for your response.
Ken Brunt said:
"Still, 'dum vivo spero' as my old da used to say [but in Irish of course]."How about a translation for us ignorant colonials…
Ken,
The site clearly states they want to be independent.
“furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party’s founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence…”
They are pushing for a vote, but clearly their choice is " Become a separate and Independent Nation."
The US Constitution clearly prohibits States right to withdraw and become independent or join other nations.
Ralph
mike omalley said:
Well if you're going to give me reasonable responses. I'll just have to storm off in a huff!Thanks for the sympathy. Stones are still lurking ad I’m carrying a bottle of painkillers around. Wednesday night is not an experience I want to repeat, but I don’t think I have a choice
We’re just trying to keep you off balance.
If it’s sympathy you want, you will find it in the dictionary between shi’ite and syph’i’lis. :lol: 
For best results with stones, drink lots of water. I know, it’s like turning into a skid or leaning into a left hook, but it works.
Richard Smith said:That's right. I can understand the secession movement, especially on the part of indigenous people in Alaska. That doesn't mean I have to agree with it.
As to Palin I don't think that support for her means tacit acceptance of her husband's past affiliations. At least they're not hidden and we can judge for ourselves.
The parallels between Western Australia and Alaska run deep. Huge area, sparsely populated, rich in natural resources, suspicious of the central government, substantial indigenous population with a deep feeling for the land - those are all common threads.
I’d argue the case for unity with Alaskan secessionists because I respect their point of view. A willingness to debate implies mutual respect, and I do respect them.
Dave Healy said:Richard Smith said:That's right. I can understand the secession movement, especially on the part of indigenous people in Alaska. That doesn't mean I have to agree with it.
As to Palin I don't think that support for her means tacit acceptance of her husband's past affiliations. At least they're not hidden and we can judge for ourselves.The parallels between Western Australia and Alaska run deep. Huge area, sparsely populated, rich in natural resources, suspicious of the central government, substantial indigenous population with a deep feeling for the land - those are all common threads.
I’d argue the case for unity with Alaskan secessionists because I respect their point of view. A willingness to debate implies mutual respect, and I do respect them.
Ralph Berg said:
Ken, The site clearly states they want to be independent.“furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party’s founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence…”
They are pushing for a vote, but clearly their choice is " Become a separate and Independent Nation."
The US Constitution clearly prohibits States right to withdraw and become independent or join other nations.
Ralph
I think you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill.
As for SC’s try, that wasn’t a very peaceful try either…
Well the founder of the party, Vogler, was really explicit–he hated America, and would not be buried under the American flag. He said many times that he hated America. He founded the party and until recently quotes from him to that effect were on the website. They are in this thread He was not an indian, or a racial minority He was a white guy born in Kansas who rejected his country. A traitor–I think that’s the definition? His party is dedicated to giving Alaskans a vote on secession. As you say, it’s three percent–I’m not actually worried Alaska will secede. What I’m worried about is her priorities Palin’s husband joined the Party and was a member for 8 years. He dropped out and registered Independent when she first ran for public office. Sarah Palin apparently went to the convention in the 90s at least once, and courted their votes–she can be seen in a Youtube video praising them The Vice President of the Party is on video from last year calling her a member, saying that she has only distanced herself from the party to preserve appearances, and that she is part of the party’s strategy of “infiltrating” (his word) the mainstream parties. Note–I just checked–that video has been taken down. Notice that at her convention speech, she was wearing an Alaska pin, but not an American flag. As governor she sent out a monthly newsletter headed “alaska first”. McCain’s slogan is “country first” At the same time, she is governor of State that though it is 48th in population, got more federal money than any other state. So here’s the image–sucking at the federal tit while sympathizing with people who want to secede from the Union. That’s a nice picture. Note on the chart below–this is fed expenditures for 2005, the year BEFORE she became governor. But given her record in Wasilla, there’s no reason to believe she reduced the amount by much
(http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123102/2180567/2199099/080904_CB_chart.gif)
Press release with corrections from the AIP Chairman, Lynette Clark.
Most recently I have pulled the entire record regarding the Alaskan Independence Partys’ 1994 Convention file. I went through all the video, audio and paper records for that function. Something I should have done earlier before making the statement that Governor Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. For that I humbly apologize to Governor Palin, and, to both national and local press, and media.
I, foolishly, repeated and accepted as fact what an officer of this membership shared with myself, and husband Dexter Clark, over a year ago. My statement was incorrect regarding the Governor’s membership. What was correct was that Todd Palin was a member, that Sarah as a candidate for Governor appeared at the AIP Convention in 2006, and sent a welcoming DVD to the membership at the 2008 AIP statewide convention. Those truths do not take away my fault in mis-speaking regarding her membership. For that I do take full responsibility. I hold Governor Palin in high regard, I believe she is far and away the best individual Alaska could have as Governor, and as a woman, mother and wife is one of the best examples walking!
Thank you and again, I apologize to all.
Lynette Clark, Chairman
Alaskan Independence Party
September 3, 2008
And how’s this for a “nice picture”:
" Contrast this insatiable prying into Bristol Palin’s life with the press’s lack of curiosity about the behavior of another 17-year-old – one whose story would seem to have more relevance to this year’s presidential election.
In his memoir “Dreams from My Father,” Barack Obama describes his troubled teenaged years. “Pot had helped, and booze, maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack though,” he recalls, though he admits he came close to trying heroin at the urging of a friend who shot up in front of him. He was deterred by the image “of an air bubble, shiny and round like a pearl, rolling quietly through my vein and stopping my heart,” he says. “Junkie. Pothead. That’s where I’d been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man.”
Obama’s drug use went on for at least a few years, though he is noticeably vague in describing exactly when it began, how extensive it was, or when it ended. At least one of his friends was arrested for drug possession; another had a mental breakdown after one too many acid trips. But Obama has been reticent to reveal the extent of his illegal activities – and the media haven’t cared enough to pursue the question.
In his memoir, he gives the most telling explanation of how he has gotten away with avoiding discussions of his drug use. It was the same technique he used on his mother when she confronted him in his senior year of high school: “I had given her a reassuring smile and patted her hand and told her not to worry, I wouldn’t do anything stupid. It was usually an effective tactic, another of those tricks I had learned: People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves.” "
or this picture:
"Public Allies promotes “diversity and inclusion,” a program paper says. More than 70% of its recruits are “people of color.” When they’re not protesting, they’re staffing AIDS clinics, handing out condoms, bailing criminals out of jail and helping illegal aliens and the homeless obtain food stamps and other welfare.
Public Allies brags that more than 80% of graduates have continued working in nonprofit or government jobs. It’s training the “next generation of nonprofit leaders” — future “social entrepreneurs.”
The Obamas discourage work in the private sector. “Don’t go into corporate America,” Michelle has exhorted youth. “Work for the community. Be social workers.” Shun the “money culture,” Barack added. “Individual salvation depends on collective salvation.”
“If you commit to serving your community,” he pledged in his Denver acceptance speech, “we will make sure you can afford a college education.” So, go through government to go to college, and then go back into government."
Sounds a lot like communism to me…
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Ken that’s because you tend to call any activity you don’t like “communism.”
It’s not at all surprising that the AIP should now be walking back it’s earlier claims about Palin’s membership, and removing videos. After all, their stated boast was that Pailn was part of their strategy of “infiltrating” major parties
From their website:
The Alaskan Independence Party can be summed up in just two words:
ALASKA FIRST!
And their 2008 platform:
To seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, of the federal constitution.
Here is a transcription of the video which the AIP removed. Please note–he refers to US troops in Alaska as OCCUPATION TROOPS!
…My name is Dexter Clark, I am the vice chairman of the Alaskan Independence Party…But the basic argument of the Alaskan Independence Party has always been, the number one plank in our platform, is the question of our vote to become a state. The most glaring disparity in that vote was the definition of an eligible voter. Among those qualified to cast a ballot were 41,000 American soldiers and their 36,000 dependents. Now to the native population of Alaska, to me, these were occupation troops, and they were made eligible, in fact encouraged to vote, there were educational meetings held on the military bases. I can’t imagine them telling anyone that anything but that statehood would be very good for the military, in fact they still have 6-7 big bases and numerous smaller holdings in this state. Statehood would be good for the military. Now can you imagine the international uproar if the American troops had all went and got their purple fingers in Iraq? There would have been …that’s not an election, that’s imposing your rule. …
Our current governor, we mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected. … She was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town – that was a non-partisan job. But you get along to go along – she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that. She also had about an 80% approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership. … And any one of your organizations should be using that same tactic. You should infiltrate – I know the Christian Exodus(?) is in favor of it, the Free State movement is in favor of it – I don’t think they even care which party it is. Whichever party in that area you can get something done, get into that political party, even though it does have its problems. Right now that is one of the only avenues. And you get a few people on a city council or a ??? you can have some effect."
And you’re worried about Obama as a 17 year old?
yea, Obama’s running for President. You seem pretty intent on delving into a VP candidate’s past even if your info is decades old…How about delving into a Pres candidates past?..Dexter Clark isn’t , Todd Palin isn’t nor is Sarah Palin running for president.
Main Source from AIP Claims Backs Off Story
by: Haners
Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 12:39:52 PM MDT
This story is from Sept 2nd.
Dexter Clark, the Vice Chairman of the Alaska Independence Party sought to clarify the accusations made against Palin by his wife.
According to Clark, his wife’s claim that Palin was a member was based on information from a Mr. Mark Chryson. Clark said that Chryson
has repeatedly said to me personally and my wife, Lynette, and groups of party members at large, that at that 1994 convention, Sarah and Todd Palin attended and registered as members
However, when confronted with evidence that Palin has long been a registered Republican, the article says:
Chyrson, in an interview with Mother Jones, backed off his account (Haners emphasis). "What could have been the confusion [because] her husband was a member of the party. He was at the convention. It might (Haners emphasis) have been thought she was a member then."
He goes on to admit that he doesn’t “remember” seeing Palin at the convention in question.
"I don't, no. I was working behind the scenes. Back then I was only vaguely familiar with her. I would not have recognized her.
The story also says:
He added that Sarah Palin did not play "an active role in the party" or to speak out for its causes.
There’s the silver bullet that incriminates Palin-second hand knowledge from the vice chairman’s wife that she got from someone who wasn’t even in a position to recognize Palin-despite the fact that the Republican Party in Alaska has produced documents showing Palin has been a long time member. She hasn’t ever supported the party’s causes.
I guess this is one of those times where we should have waited for the facts to come out.
"Ken that’s because you tend to call any activity you don’t like “communism.” "
Mike that’s because if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like one…it usually is one…
"Not all the recruits appreciate the PC indoctrination. “It was too touchy-feely,” said Nelly Nieblas, 29, of the 2005 Los Angeles class. “It’s a lot of talk about race, a lot of talk about sexism, a lot of talk about homophobia, talk about -isms and phobias.”
One of those -isms is “heterosexism,” which a Public Allies training seminar in Chicago describes as a negative byproduct of “capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and male-dominated privilege.”
The government now funds about half of Public Allies’ expenses through Clinton’s AmeriCorps. Obama wants to fully fund it and expand it into a national program that some see costing $500 billion. “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as the military, he said.
The gall of it: The Obamas want to create a boot camp for radicals who hate the military — and stick American taxpayers with the bill."
I thought we already had civilian national security force called the National Guard.
"Obama’s community organizing days involved training grievance-mongers from the far-left ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). The ACORN mob is infamous for its bully tactics (which they dub “direct actions”); Obama supporters have recounted his role in organizing an ambush on a government planning meeting about a landfill project opposed by Chicago’s minority lobbies.
With benefactors like Obama in office, ACORN has milked nearly four decades of government subsidies to prop up chapters that promote the welfare state and undermine the free market, as well as some that have been implicated in perpetuating illegal immigration and voter fraud. Since I last detailed ACORN’s illicit activities in this column in June (see “The ACORN Obama knows,” June 19, 2008), the group continues to garner scrutiny from law enforcement:
Last week, Milwaukee’s top election official announced plans to seek criminal investigations of 37 ACORN employees accused of offering gifts to sign up voters (including prepaid gas cards and restaurant cards) or falsifying driver’s license numbers, Social Security numbers or other information on voter registration cards.
Last month, a New Mexico TV station reported on the child rapists, drug offenders and forgery convicts on ACORN’s payroll. In July, Pennsylvania investigators asked the public for help in locating a fugitive named Luis R. Torres-Serrano, who is accused “of submitting more than 100 fraudulent voter registration forms he collected on behalf of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now to county election officials.” Also in July, a massive, nearly $1 million embezzlement scheme by top ACORN officials was exposed.
ACORN’s political arm endorsed Obama in February and has ramped up efforts to register voters across the country. In the meantime, completely ignored by the mainstream commentariat and clean-election crusaders, the Obama campaign admitted failing to report $800,000 in campaign payments to ACORN. They were disguised as payments to a front group called “Citizen Services, Inc.” for “advance work.”
Terry A de C Foley said:
'Dum vivo spero' means 'While I live, I hope'.Sad how Latin seems to have died out in your part of the world. Here in rural East Anglia the talk, as we huddle round the fire in the cold evenings, is of little else. Many of the real fenland locals, web-footed and fingered, often with only one eye, have fond memories of the Romans and the little cattle market on the corner by where the pub was built in 1628.
They saw the Romans arrive, and then leave, and, in the long winter evenings after a hard day in the fields, gather in the local pub and wonder whatever happened to them. 'One minute they was ‘ere’, quothe one old codger, ‘the next they’d gorn’. As he looked around for somebody else to pay for his next pint, he squinted at me through his eye - ‘Bloody Eyetalians,’ - he muttered darkly, 'y’never could trust ‘em to hang about when there wus trouble. The fust sight o’them Saxons an’ they buggered orf! Gawd 'elp’em if they ever ‘as a REAL war!’
We still find Romano-British coins in the creek/brook whenever we dredge it.
tac
Ralph Berg said:Dave Healy said:Richard Smith said:That's right. I can understand the secession movement, especially on the part of indigenous people in Alaska. That doesn't mean I have to agree with it.
As to Palin I don't think that support for her means tacit acceptance of her husband's past affiliations. At least they're not hidden and we can judge for ourselves.The parallels between Western Australia and Alaska run deep. Huge area, sparsely populated, rich in natural resources, suspicious of the central government, substantial indigenous population with a deep feeling for the land - those are all common threads.
I’d argue the case for unity with Alaskan secessionists because I respect their point of view. A willingness to debate implies mutual respect, and I do respect them.
I understand the last time it was attempted in South Carolina…it didn’t go too well
Ralph
I’ll go with the famous philosopher who said “I think you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill.”
Ken, you keep insisting that Obama is a communist, but your never give me any evidence that he is–you just quote sm website–without saying which one–where some guy calls Obama a communist. I repeat–you seem to call every political position you don’t like “communist.”
You know, it is possible to be critical of capitalism WITHOUT being communist. Hard to believe, I know, but bear with me for this example: The Catholic church. Both the current pope and the previous pope are/were extremely critical of capitalism, for promoting profit ahead of compassion an competition ahead of brotherhood. Both Popes are/were also STRONG opponent of communism
Most religiosn, in fact, are strongly critical of capitalism in the sense that most religions are strongly critical of greed and selfishness. There are very few organized religions which preach “go out and make as much as you can an get over on the other guy!” In that sense, MOST religions are critical of capitalism.
the fact that some person distantly connected to Obama uses the word “capitalism” in a critical way does not make them a comunist–unless yu thnk the Pope is a communist, which perhaps you do.