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S&G getting rid of reed-contacts

the slower the preparing the hobby room gets, the faster come ideas for the next layout.

one of my nastiest problems on the last layout were the reed contacts, needed for the epl-like automatic running.
they tend to burn shut.

so, when i remembered, an alternative system, i had read in one of the forums about 15 years ago… (by one of the “Tods” - Tod, Todd, Toddalin or similar, if i remember well)
the lovely name of “BUMPASS” for that system is still stuck in my brain.
if i remember well, that was to work with DC for the switchmotors.

so in my long pauses between my short working minutes i had some ideas.(more than some and some more…)

i’ll give a short(<- i’m lying) explanation of what i want tobuild in the next layout.
on a table(s) of 12metre/yards by 1.8metre/6ft, lengthwise separated by 2’ high backgrounds.
to be built on 12 individual tables of roughly 2 metre/yards by 0.9 metre/3ft. (to pass through doors)
a roundy-round with four “stations”/passing sidings. one of the four “stations” will have a second passing siding.
three of the stations will be 10ft long, including the R1 switches. the fourth station needs two foot more for the additional switches.
four engines will run in “the wrong direction”. (done already with three playmobils - just changeing the cables to the motor)
so, that i will have five northbound trains, and four southbound.
each train will have a max. of five foot cars behind the tender (four to five cars is longer, than any train in “Hell on Wheels”)

i wrote individual tables.
that means, my customary spagetty salad below the table has to be changed, into something, that has plugs every two yards. - something, that does not have a dozen of cables and plugs at every connection of tables.
so i began to experiment with buses.

every thing, i mentioned is tested and works - but one. that was tested, repaired, changed, whatever.
the reed contacts. some burn closed after weeks, some after years. but sooner or later they all burn shut.
and, how could it be different? most burn just, when visitors want to see moving trains.
now and then that makes for memorable crashes.

now back to BUMPASS.
that gives contacts, when metal wheels touch/connect two separated rails.
but, if i remember right, it works with DC.

i made a sketch below, to show, what i would like to do, if possible.
(there will a little bit more to it, like daisy chaining switchmotors, to make sure, all southbounds are arrived, before the northbounds start etc.)

my question:
can i add to a (DC-) bus one leg of an AC bus? (lower right, blue and black cable)

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Yes. When I devised the Tortoise Bump Accident Sentinel System (Bump ASS) it was not to throw a turnout, but rather to active a relay to turn off the the opposing loop before the two trains collided. Which ever train reaches its Bump activation first turns off the other train for a predetermined time span. The EPL is just a latching relay.

But the “wheel gap activation” is the the ticket and I share AC and DC on the common rail including the lighting and turnout motors without problem. But, IIRC, I put the “Bump” activation on the “live” rail. In my case, if the rail is not live, there can be no collision and the system is unnecessary.

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thanks.
that is one of those ideas, that every now and then re-apperar between the ears.

on the upcoming layout, i will have only one epl-turnout-motor (for the two alternating northbounds) the other turnouts will be hold to their direction by fishing line with fishing weights and cut open in the other direction.

the other epl combos plus Bumps or reeds are used exclusively to shut off or turn on the isolated sections, where the locos wait their turn.

is that necessary, or better?
i ask, because i got the DC+ rail planned to use strategic feeding points plus diodes every foot to have slowdown and speed up sections.

No, not better, just different. Either should work the same.

Know that any/every metal wheel that crosses will also activate whatever. In your example, this is not a problem so long as your train is not so long as to span both sets of “bumpers”.

But if it was an applications like a “leap frog” you would only want this to be activated by one contact (the reed), because every set of wheels would trigger the trains to alternate and they would jossle between each other until you have an accident.

For the “bumper”, I just use two rail insulators with a short piece of rail long enough to fill the gap between the two. Solder your wire to this rail just under the railhead before inserting it.

I also do the diode sections for speed up/slow down on my point to point mine line and use them to slow things through the station where the trains leap frog.

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i really like to read that.

each siding shall have 8 ft of rail between turnouts. (need to test, if nine ft are needed) for Stainz (chassis), tender and four to five shortish cars (all wth plastic wheels) so four “bumps” per contact.
each north-bound train shall activate a bump before hitting the insulated section. the four activated epl motors are to be connected in series and activate all four south-bounds at the same time. (there will be no viewpoint, where an observer can see more than two moving trains at a time)
each southbound train shall deactivate their isolated section, before entering the turnout.
thus i hope to evade crashes between trains on the same track.
so, between activation and deactivation will be about three ft. and about 20ft. respective. (to be tested)

the main reason to get away from the reeds is, that my SIL is a merchant and athlete, but no do-it-yourselfer, who will have to fill a maintenance-gap between my death and my grandson getting old enough to repair his layout himself.
so the BumpASS will help to KISS - so to say.

i will need 18 bumpers/36 insulators and 9 epls.
got about 16 epls. but the isolators are a problem. the yellow ones have too much slack for the short rail-pieces. my 3D-printed break too easy. but i found and tested a solution.
the plastic-sleeves from cable-connectors. cheap, avayable, from elastic material, keeping the rails centrated. just one drop of Fastix (silicone) needed between rails.

see:

again, thank you for refreshing my memory.