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Russian Motorcycles!

Howdy!

In my LAST childhood (a couple of years ago), with no biking experience whatever I got myself a Russian Ural motorcycle, and went through the Motorcycle Safety Foundation’s class to learn to ride it RIGHT… by this time, I’ve gotten too fond of staying alive to go any other way.

To make it a bit more interesting, the bike is a sidecar rig… a 2000 model Ural “Bavarian Classic”.

These bikes are essentially a Stalinist era product; in the late 1930s, Uncle Joe was impressed by Hitler’s “Motor Rifle” troops who rode around in BMW sidecar rigs. The story goes that NKVD smuggled three BMW R-60 bikes into the USSR and reverse engineered them. They made changes to make the BMW clones easier and cheaper to manufacture, as well as changes to make them more suitable for the Russian environment.

The bikes were made for the Soviet army right up until the collapse of the USSR. Later, in the Russian Republic the factory reopened, the bikes were changed to make them street and EPA legal, and they began exporting them to the US and other places.

In the meantime… tapped into my old high school experience in working on Volkswagen engines; there’s not a whole lot of difference between a Ural 650 cc Boxer and half a VW engine! <> These are bikes meant to be maintained by the owner, not taken back to the dealership when something breaks. In fact… in the sidecar trunk they still include a Soviet Army issue tool kit, tire pump, and most everything else you need to keep it running in the field.

It’s no crotch rocket, and that’s fine with me. It’s just a bike for bopping down 2 lanes and country dirt roads; tops out at about 60 MPH while carrying my fat ass (250 pounds), and an Irish Setter in the sidecar!

Mr. T., aka Road Name GAVNO,
Member, Russian Iron Motorcycle Club

My wife got a look at an Ural Tourist model sidecar set-up and was actually interested in seeing how much they cost! I was shocked to say the least, so maybe this summer we’ll take a closer look. I’m a little hesitant because to get anywhere here in the land of carcrazies, one must take the freeway, and if your not going 80mph the nutjobs here will run you right off the road. Sidecars are not designed for speed.

Victor Smith said:
My wife got a look at an Ural Tourist model sidecar set-up and was actually interested in seeing how much they cost! I was shocked to say the least, so maybe this summer we'll take a closer look. I'm a little hesitant because to get anywhere here in the land of carcrazies, one must take the freeway, and if your not going 80mph the nutjobs here will run you right off the road. Sidecars are not designed for speed.
Yeah, out there it's a BIG consideration!

Urals are NOT freeway beasts; I AVOID them at all costs. It’s also not a “long haul” kind of critter; 100 miles is a VERY long ride on one.

In the summertime I ride the beast to and from work (about 25 miles each way), and most other riding is for pleasure with no place I have to get to in a hurry.

These are fun bikes, not daily beasts of burden.

Mr. T.

I remember looking at Russian bikes back in the early '70s. I’d just arrived in Australia, and wanted to see the place. They were half the price of BMWs, but that’s where my heart was.

Ended up with a second-hand Beemer, and eventually a new one. Put on thousands of miles all over the country, but the most memorable trip was my first visit to Perth on what passed for Australia’s transcontinental “highway” in '72-'73, complete with 250 miles of sand and gravel right in the middle of nowhere.

Sold the BM to pay for a trip to the US after Kay and I tied the knot in '75. I think she’s always been a bit cross she never got to ride pillion!

I understand that they have some off-road capability with a locking drive to the sidecar wheel.

Jack

Jack Barton said:
I understand that they have some off-road capability with a locking drive to the sidecar wheel.

Jack


I think thats only on two of the models that are designed for dirt road riding, if you can belive that! The one we were considering didnt have that option.

edit) heres their website, the Patrol and the GearUp have the sidecar drive, we were considering the Tourist.

http://www.imz-ural.com/

I do like the GearUp though just needs a burp-gun mounted on the front of the sidecar! :smiley:

The last model that was available here many years ago had a sort of a problem. If one pushed it back into a parking space, then next time the engine was started it would apparently run backwards, giving a three-speed reverse gearbox. One then had to shut the motor off and manually push the bike forward and then restart the motor. Apparently the motor was happy running in either direction. Even the latest version here still looked like a BMW from the pre-WW2 years.

That wasnt very uncommon with 2 stroke engines. I remember homemade minibikes that could that :wink:

Jack Barton said:
I understand that they have some off-road capability with a locking drive to the sidecar wheel.

Jack


That’s true.

The US versions (Gear Up and Patrol) were quite hard to get for a while in the late 1990s (when I first got interested enough to go to a dealer and look)… military buyers and the United Nations were buying up every 2 wheel drive Ural they could get.

There’s one problem with the current 2WD version tho; the 2WD can ONLY be used OFF ROAD; the hack axle has NO DIFFERENTIAL. Running it on a dry highway is a good way to make chop suey out of your gearbox.

There was one model (highly sought after) in the US that DID have a differential, the Sportsman. It’s a mid 1990s vintage bike, and was apparently only imported for a couple of years.

Actually, I’ve never found the need for 2WD… tho I’m a relatively new biker.

I’ve ridden the Gremlin from the Kremlin in Wisconsin winter snows with no problem; road ruts don’t phase it in the least. Some guys I know really enjoy going out on frozen lakes with the bikes, but you’ve gotta REALLY be careful; these things, interestingly, are easy to roll over on all 3 tipover lines. It gets worse on ice.

The only problem with winter riding is a matter of minor irritation… you get tired of watching passengers in oncoming traffic saying to the driver “Look at that crazy a**hole out riding a motorcycle in this blizzard!” <>

Your basic Ural rider is unconventional, to say the least.

Mr. T.

Victor Smith said:
Jack Barton said:
I understand that they have some off-road capability with a locking drive to the sidecar wheel.

Jack


I think thats only on two of the models that are designed for dirt road riding, if you can belive that! The one we were considering didnt have that option.

edit) heres their website, the Patrol and the GearUp have the sidecar drive, we were considering the Tourist.

http://www.imz-ural.com/

I do like the GearUp though just needs a burp-gun mounted on the front of the sidecar! :smiley:


Up until a couple of years ago you could buy a machine gun mount for the sidecar nose directly from Ural! It’s a popular item… I’ve seen a couple of bikes with 'em that were packing rather elaborately decorated Spud Guns fashioned out of PVC pipe! Usually, the spud guns are made to look like recoiless anti tank rifles.

Machine gun mounts are still available from a number of parts suppliers… most of these are stripped off of junked military bikes in the Russian Republic and the former East Germany.

Me, I steered away from the military motif, mainly for safety reasons. I can’t imagine a more vulnerable feeling than riding at night on a bike that’s painted with the flat olive drab paint that the military version folks favor. A big Red Army star on the nose of the hack doesn’t make you any more visible to other traffic, nor does a nose decal that spells out in cyrillic “FOR STALIN!”

Instead, I do a tongue in cheek Western thing… 1950’s vintage Harley style windshield, lots of extra lights, big saddle bags with fringe, leather grip streamers, leather tool bag (with fringe, of course).

It’s Western, all right… Western Vladavostok! <>

This thing is SO much fun that I’m sorry I didn’t start riding 25 years ago. The local biker club, the C. C. Riders, always give me a thumbs up as they pass on the road… they see I’m a harmless old fart, I guess, and not in competition with them.

INCREDIBLE curiosity out there about these bikes! If I stop for gas, or take a 5 minute hop to the supermarket, a crowd always gathers around it, full of questions. On the Russian Iron Club website, we call it UDF… Ural Delay Factor.

Number one question… “How long did it take ya to restore that old BMW?” <>

Number two question… and I don’t have a good answer for it yet… always comes from an 8 or 9 year old kid. “Can I have a ride in the sidecar?”

Best excuse I have to duck that one… “I don’t have a kid sized helmet, and you always have to ride safe”.

Mr. T.

Tim Brien said:
The last model that was available here many years ago had a sort of a problem. If one pushed it back into a parking space, then next time the engine was started it would apparently run backwards, giving a three-speed reverse gearbox. One then had to shut the motor off and manually push the bike forward and then restart the motor. Apparently the motor was happy running in either direction. Even the latest version here still looked like a BMW from the pre-WW2 years.
Over the last 5 years or so, Ural has been improving the bike... remember, until then (and still NOW) they were selling a clone of a 1938 BMW!!!

On mine, they took the basic bike and added an electric starter, went to a 12 VDC electrical system, went from generator to alternator (tho the Russian one has issues; I’m retrofitting this spring to the Japanese Denso that the newer bikes have), and to pass EPA emmissions standards they changed from the Russian carburetors to Japanese Mikunis. As of 2004, they started using an Italian Brembo disk brake in front, replacing the Russian drums that are on the other corners.

IMHO that disk brake was a mistake… the spare wheel on the hack won’t fit in front now.

Mr. T.

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This is Yours Truly, and the Gremlin from the Kremlin. Mr. T.

They had drum brakes on a motorcycle???

David Russell said:
They had drum brakes on a motorcycle???
Yep... drums on all three corners.

It’s not that unusual, really; disk brakes are a fairly recent innovation on bikes, becoming really popular in perhaps the 1950s or 1960s.

Mr. T.

Tom Adams said:
David Russell said:
They had drum brakes on a motorcycle???
Yep... drums on all three corners.

It’s not that unusual, really; disk brakes are a fairly recent innovation on bikes, becoming really popular in perhaps the 1950s or 1960s.

Mr. T.


Yep - and even later. I had five bikes in the 70s, three road and two off-road. Not a disc anywhere.