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Revised Marklin/LGB Warranty Service Policy for North America« on: Today at 01:01:11 PM »

Hi Folks - I have a potential decoder problem with an LGB 21382 NY Streetcar I had bought last March from a European LGB Dealer. Since that time, I requested warranty service from Walther’s Trains, who used to be the only authorized LGB distribution agent for the USA…now there are a couple other LGB wholesalers. The reply I received from Walther’s was disconcerting in that LGB items bought outside the USA must be sent by the consumer directly to the Marklin/LGB factory in Germany for warranty service. So, before I do that, I’m taking my LGB 21382 to All About LGB in Baltimore today for Mohammed to do a quick verification whether the decoder is defective or not…he repairs LGB items and is an authorized Massoth Dealer which makes the electronics for Massoth, LGB and Piko DCC components. If he validates the decoder is defective, then I’ll expend the time and expense to ship the streetcar back to the factory in Germany. But Walther’s Warranty Service also shared with me the overall changes that Marklin/LGB has recently established for LGB warranty service in the USA…it’s quoted below:

“Marklin’s Warranty Policy
Märklin has recently changed its guidelines for handling warranty claims for Marklin, Trix, and LGB products in North America. These changes are being made by the factory to bring the North American market into alignment with the rest of their global markets. Following is a summary of the changes:
• The new warranty processing guidelines require Walthers to send copies of the customer’s receipts/invoices to the Märklin Factory Service Department with every warranty claim.
• Consumers buying from an E-bay dealer, or a dealer outside of North America, will have to go back to the selling dealer (or directly to Märklin GmbH) for warranty consideration.
• Walthers will not be allowed to handle warranty claims for goods purchased from outside our distribution system. This policy may also affect those dealers who purchase goods from sources other than Walthers.
• When Walthers receives a warranty claim we will initially diagnose the problem and send this information to Märklin. Märklin will then determine if they will credit, replace and/or repair the item.”

The two year warranty the Marklin/LGB provides for new LGB items bought in the USA is pretty good (LGB’s original 5 year warranty was better), but it’s certainly inconvenient not having an LGB warranty repair facility in the USA like the “old” LGB had in San Diego. I’ve sent a follow-up to Walther’s asking whether Marklin/LGB has an plans on establishing one here. Guess that will depend upon whether LGB products start selling in large volumes here again like they used to do before LGB went bankrupt.

Hope you find this Marklin/LGB warranty policy useful.
Tom

This post, along with TAC’s most recent post about Accucraft, causes me to seriously consider abandoning large scale, selling my stuff off, and concentrating on 0 gauge 3 rail.

All the LGB I’ve bought in the last few years are used, what this all means to me is that with the Marklin/Walthers break it’s going to take a while for the dust to settle so I wouldn’t buy anything complicated until Marklin gets there North American house in order.

To expect customers in the US to ship heavy trains all the way to Germany at international mail rates especially if there’s no guarantee it will be honored or be fixable is extremely unreasonable. Marklin needs to do better job with the US and open a service center for the North America market.

Since Walthers is not the only source in the US for buying LGB now, check with the other sellers about how they handle warranty claims before you buy. You may be surprised !!

I have a decoder problem as well and not too many US dealers could offer a solution.

Regards, Dennis.

Vic Smith said:

All the LGB I’ve bought in the last few years are used, what this all means to me is that with the Marklin/Walthers break it’s going to take a while for the dust to settle so I wouldn’t buy anything complicated until Marklin gets there North American house in order.

To expect customers in the US to ship heavy trains all the way to Germany at international mail rates especially if there’s no guarantee it will be honored or be fixable is extremely unreasonable. Marklin needs to do better job with the US and open a service center for the North America market.

Vic - You should return the LGB item under the Two Year Marklin warranty to the USA dealer you purchased it from…they are supposed to collaborate with the Marklin Factory Germany and if it needs to be shipped to the factory, the dealer would do that, not you. So, the only shipping expense you’d have is to ship back to the USA retailer.

By the way, I did confirm with the Marklin/LGB USA product manager that the LGB streetcar I purchased is not covered by their warranty even though it’s brand new. It was produced in 2004 by the “old” LGB company and as stated by the Marklin representative: “When Märklin bought LGB, it bought only the assets of the old company. It did not buy the liabilities. Warranty claims were viewed by the German bankruptcy court for LGB as liabilities. Märklin will not be able to honor the warranty on items produced by the defunct LGB company.”

I can understand their position on this…Marklin/LGB is only honoring warranties for the new items they are manufacturing. Doesn’t make me happy, but I can understand their legal and financial perspective.

Regards,

Tom

Dennis Brown said:

I have a decoder problem as well and not too many US dealers could offer a solution.

Regards, Dennis.

Dennis - If you have one of the LGB Streetcars that’s now outside of any warranty coverage or, as the other poster indicated, no retail dealer coverage where you bought the item, there are a couple places in the USA that repair any LGB product, including electronics. In fact, I went to visit All About LGB Baltimore MD last Saturday and Mohammed checked-out my LGB Streetcar. He’s an Authorized Massoth Dealer and an expert in the Massoth DCC products (e.g., Dimax Navigator) and repairing LGB locomotives including electronics and installing decoders. He concluded that my LGB 21382, which was made for LGB in 2014 in China, has a defective buss that transfers the DCC commands to the sound decoder. He said that the China contractor LGB used back then installed lower quality electronics in these model streetcars…LGB was trying to save money by using a Chinese contractor. He said he could fix it by replacing the buss with Massoth components and the parts and labor estimated at $400. I decided instead to contact the Big Train Store Netherlands for the repairs and they said if they can’t fix the decoder issue they will send me another one. It shipped out yesterday USPS International Priority Mail Insured…$78. So it appears I will get a repaired and fully functional item yet.

Another expert in repairing LGB products in the USA I found recently on the Internet: http://www.traincraftbyklaus.com Klaus is located in Georgia and also appears to have in-depth expertise on LGB locomotives. So, Klaus, or Mohammed at http://www.allaboutlgb.com are two options for you to explore if you want to get your LGB streetcar sound decoder or other electronics repaired.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Tom

I believe Klaus was the US Massoth distributor for some time, and left them.

I also thought Train-Li did repairs, I know they can get LGB parts.

Greg

Greg, yes they can, but you have to stay on top of them. I gave up trying to get the parts for my hopper and the caboose marker lights from Train Li.

“…Dennis Brown said: I have a decoder problem as well and not too many US dealers could offer a solution.**….”

Have ya contacted Tony of UltimateTrains, Nanton, western Canada regards what he does when his clients have problems with those decoders ?!

“.…trying to get the parts for my hopper and the caboose marker lights from Train Li.

Did ya reach out to Tony up here to see if he has them still in stock within his parts dept. ?

…along with TAC’s most recent post about Accucraft, causes me to seriously consider abandoning large scale, selling my stuff off, and …

Let us know when the big sale starts. If ya don’t follow the majority of manufacturers’ sales, restricting to “only continental u.s.” you’ll likely have quite a few aspiring and existing G-gauge enthusiasts from up here asking … :slight_smile:

nite.

Steve Featherkile said:

This post, along with TAC’s most recent post about Accucraft, causes me to seriously consider abandoning large scale, selling my stuff off, and concentrating on 0 gauge 3 rail.

Whatcha got?

Doug, no I haven’t, because I didn’t know about them. I will have to dig up the part numbers (again) and get in touch with them.

Thomas White said:

Vic Smith said:

All the LGB I’ve bought in the last few years are used, what this all means to me is that with the Marklin/Walthers break it’s going to take a while for the dust to settle so I wouldn’t buy anything complicated until Marklin gets there North American house in order.

To expect customers in the US to ship heavy trains all the way to Germany at international mail rates especially if there’s no guarantee it will be honored or be fixable is extremely unreasonable. Marklin needs to do better job with the US and open a service center for the North America market.

Vic - You should return the LGB item under the Two Year Marklin warranty to the USA dealer you purchased it from…they are supposed to collaborate with the Marklin Factory Germany and if it needs to be shipped to the factory, the dealer would do that, not you. So, the only shipping expense you’d have is to ship back to the USA retailer.

By the way, I did confirm with the Marklin/LGB USA product manager that the LGB streetcar I purchased is not covered by their warranty even though it’s brand new. It was produced in 2004 by the “old” LGB company and as stated by the Marklin representative: “When Märklin bought LGB, it bought only the assets of the old company. It did not buy the liabilities. Warranty claims were viewed by the German bankruptcy court for LGB as liabilities. Märklin will not be able to honor the warranty on items produced by the defunct LGB company.”

I can understand their position on this…Marklin/LGB is only honoring warranties for the new items they are manufacturing. Doesn’t make me happy, but I can understand their legal and financial perspective.

Regards,

Tom

That won’t help me, all my recent stuff is second or third hand. What I had bought new is now several years old so I guess I’m tsol.:frowning:

John Caughey said:

Steve Featherkile said:

This post, along with TAC’s most recent post about Accucraft, causes me to seriously consider abandoning large scale, selling my stuff off, and concentrating on 0 gauge 3 rail.

Whatcha got?

How much money do you have? (http://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-money-mouth.gif)

Steve Featherkile said:

John Caughey said:

Steve Featherkile said:

This post, along with TAC’s most recent post about Accucraft, causes me to seriously consider abandoning large scale, selling my stuff off, and concentrating on 0 gauge 3 rail.

Whatcha got?

How much money do you have? (http://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-money-mouth.gif)

Steve Featherkile said:

This post, along with TAC’s most recent post about Accucraft, causes me to seriously consider abandoning large scale, selling my stuff off, and concentrating on 0 gauge 3 rail.

You go to Hell for lying Steve!

David Russell said:

Steve Featherkile said:

This post, along with TAC’s most recent post about Accucraft, causes me to seriously consider abandoning large scale, selling my stuff off, and concentrating on 0 gauge 3 rail.

You go to Hell for lying Steve!

At least I’ll be in good company. See you there. (http://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-surprised.gif)(http://largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-laughing.gif)

I have some spare change Steve:

I was mailed this picture some time ago, I did not do it myself! (but it’s funny)

Getting the correct parts is sometimes a challenge as Marklin will not be making the older split case motor block, or the 3 wire blocks that are in the older engines. Some engines with a slight modification can have the newer blocks but many people want to keep the equipment in original condition. The pallets of parts inventory is dwindling, but the new Marklin is starting to ship part kits.

Kits means if you need a particular part like a steam chest cover you need to get the kit of 6 parts, left and right ends and covers.

On the track cleaner for example a kit would have the horn, 4 light rims and 4 clear lens plus 2 bubble lens.

I forsee lots of ‘extra’ parts headed to the bay.

David Maynard said:

Doug, no I haven’t, because I didn’t know about them. I will have to dig up the part numbers (again) and get in touch with them.

Tony used to be big time LGB so you might luck out sending him a email with what you’re interested !

I was told by electronics ‘specialist’ that he is still taking care of ‘clients’ world-wide (notable europe and even far east), so he must have access to the majority of the latest and nos.

I haven’t taken the 2hr. round trip drive to Nanton for a couple yrs. … because as I told Tony at the show I always see and want to buy something which I shouldn’t :slight_smile:

doug c

ps. UT busy enough that even during our big show he had his specialist doing install(s) of the Crest Revo’ I shot a bit of a vid of him (along with a couple locals sharing their thoughts) installing one into a SD-45 that someone had pre-arranged to bring in during the show in case (his specialist) wanted something to keep himself busy (available tools dependent of course) :wink: That little ‘exercise’ hi-lited how in most cases how plug’nplay the Revo can be …