Bob McCown said:Had to edit this. Had my facts wrong Ralph
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/science/02nean.html
Ralph,
You know why I wouldn’t mention “paranoid” when you harped about the “innuendo”? I wouldn’t want you to stop posting some of those perfectly convoluted “reasons”, “mistakes” and “falacies” behind the different theories. Some of them are close enough to paranoid to be self-explanatory.
“Give them enough rope …” is a saying that comes to mind. 
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Ralph,You know why I wouldn’t mention “paranoid” when you harped about the “innuendo”? I wouldn’t want you to stop posting some of those perfectly convoluted “reasons”, “mistakes” and “falacies” behind the different theories. Some of them are close enough to paranoid to be self-explanatory.
“Give them enough rope …” is a saying that comes to mind.
Well HJ,
Something has to be going on in that big head of mine all the time.
Again inuendo…what convoluted reasons, mistakes or falacies? Never mind. No longer interested.
I did just correct an error. Memory didn’t serve me well. When I researched it I realized my mistake.
Lesson learned. Do the research first.
You see, I’m learning, HJ.
Ralph
GOD’S ACCURACY
How lovely to think about the way our Creator God planned everything so carefully and perfectly, everything with a plan. As His highest creation, ‘we are fearfully and wonderfully made.’
God’s accuracy may be observed in the hatching of eggs.
For example,
The eggs of the potato bug hatch in 7 days;
Those of the canary in 14 days;
Those of the barnyard hen in 21 days.
The eggs of ducks and geese hatch in 28 days;
Those of the mallard in 35 days.
The eggs of the parrot and the ostrich hatch in 42 days.
(Notice, they are all divisible by seven).
God’s wisdom is seen in the making of an elephant. The four legs of this great beast all bend forward in the same direction. No other Quadruped is so made. God planned that this animal would have a huge body, too large to live on two legs. For this reason He gave it four fulcrums so that it can rise from the ground easily.
The horse rises from the ground on it s two front legs first.
A cow rises from the ground with its two hind legs first.
How wise the Lord is in all His works of creation! God’s wisdom is revealed in His arrangement of sections and segments, as well as in the number of grains.
Each watermelon has an even number of strips on the rind.
Each orange has an even number of segments.
Each ear of corn has an even number of rows.
Each stalk of wheat has an even number of grains.
Every bunch of bananas has on its lowest row an even number of bananas, and each row decreases by one, so that one row has an even number and the next row an odd number.
The waves of the sea roll in on shore twenty-six to the minute in all kinds of weather.
All grains are found in even numbers on the stalks
The Lord specified thirty fold, sixty fold, and a hundredfold - all even numbers.
God has caus e d the flowers to blossom at certain specified times during the day, so that Linnaeus, the great botanist, once said that if he had a conservatory containing the right kind of soil, moisture and temperature, he could tell the time of day or night by the flowers that were open and those that were closed!
Thus the Lord in His wonderful grace can arrange the life that is entrusted to His care in such a way that it will carry out His purposes and plans, and will be fragrant with His presence. Only the God-planned life is successful. Only the life given over to the care of the Lord is safe.
*Author unknown
Before genetci engineering…
Mary Jo Moore said:
who started all this?
Not me. But I am guilty of contributing to this mess.
I will retire from the chicken/egg routine.
However, it will rear it’s ugly head somewhere else it doesn’t belong.
Just as it did here.
Harmless talk about the weather morphs into global warming and then this mess.
Ralph
Don’t bail out Ralph…think we’re all learning something…mind expansion …wink…
Religion and politics…same old story…it never ends…if it doesn’t start a war, it divides people, who either agree to disagree, or just end it all by trying to kill each other.
It would be really heart warming if suddenly, we, here on LSC, could stop the thread, and either start talking and sharing knowledge about the "Record Temperatures" in Australia, or in Greenland. Maybe we could learn about the record snow falls in Europe and the British Isles.
How is the snow treating the garden pailroads in GB, or the heat in Australia ?
Are the Vogel family members, enjoying Spring Skiing in Vermont ?
Bob......are the signals looking good for 2009 ?Deleted
TonyWalsham said:
[b]Kevin.[/b]Both you and Joe have given the same answer.
I said yes, but which one?
The Bible does say apart from Cain, Abel and Seth, that A & E begat other sons and daughters. Genesis 5:4.
The Bible does not say who Cain’s parents-in-law were, only that God created everything in six days and during that sixth day he created Adam and Eve. Moses does not include in his text if God continued to create the second week, or if He created more than the two humans. Below is my earlier reply. Does that make it clear?
Tony, as you correctly, The Bible states that Adam and Eve had many children which we can only assume married and “multiplied” according to God’s command.
Gen. 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
[b]Gen. 4:17 And Cain [b]knew his wife[/]; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
The term knew, is meant to describe “having sexual relations with” (You all knew {no pun intended} the discussion eventually had to get around to sex.) not Cain “met her” as if I met you when visiting Knox.[/b]
Jewish records ONLY record the male names in generational lineage. This is why there are two separate lineages recorded for Jesus, one was to record His ancestry from King David through his mother Mary.
TonyWalsham said:Here here!
I don't consider this to be a mess. It really is great that Bob allows such discussions, as views other than those of a religious nature are allowed to be heard.
Mary Jo Moore said:"Incubation time is roughly correlated with the weight of the egg. The eggs of small songbirds generally hatch in about 11 days; those of the Royal Albatross in about 80 days." Found on the net, so it must be true.
GOD'S ACCURACY How lovely to think about the way our Creator God planned everything so carefully and perfectly, everything with a plan. As His highest creation, 'we are fearfully and wonderfully made.' God's accuracy may be observed in the hatching of eggs. For example, The eggs of the potato bug hatch in 7 days; Those of the canary in 14 days; Those of the barnyard hen in 21 days. The eggs of ducks and geese hatch in 28 days; Those of the mallard in 35 days. The eggs of the parrot and the ostrich hatch in 42 days. (Notice, they are all divisible by seven).
Mary Jo Moore said:Every car I've ever owned has had an even number of cylinders (though my sister had a 3-cylinder Suzuki - clearly the spawn of Satan). There are 2 computers on my desk. There are 2 cell phones on my desk. There are 2 speakers on my stereo.
Each watermelon has an even number of strips on the rind. Each orange has an even number of segments. Each ear of corn has an even number of rows. Each stalk of wheat has an even number of grains.
That’s proof enough for me.
Kevin Morris said:I thort we was discussin' record temperatures! That's what the sign says.TonyWalsham said:Here here!
I don't consider this to be a mess. It really is great that Bob allows such discussions, as views other than those of a religious nature are allowed to be heard.
Steve Featherkile said:
Kevin Morris said:
TonyWalsham said:
I don’t consider this to be a mess. It really is great that Bob allows such discussions, as views other than those of a religious nature are allowed to be heard.Here here!
I thort we was discussin’ record temperatures! That’s what the sign says.
Sooooooooooo which part of the red hot discussion didn’t you get??? The only thing missing is mention of heaven and hell and the relative temperature diffential between the two.
(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/teufel/devil-smiley-023.gif)
Hans-Joerg Mueller said:
Sooooooooooo which part of the red hot discussion didn’t you get??? The only thing missing is mention of heaven and hell and the relative temperature diffential between the two.(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/teufel/devil-smiley-023.gif)
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Thank you Bob. Excellent context!
Leaving religious questions aside, the evidence in support of the theory of evolution is overwhelming. Next time you go to the doctor with an infection, tell him you don’t believe in the theory of evolution, and you want plain old penicillin, not the fancy new antibiotics that are effective against the penicillin-resistant bacteria that have evolved in the last 80 years.
The theory of evolution may indeed be wrong and flawed in some aspects, but it’s far and away the most objectively verifiable, scientifically sound explanation for change. ALL the scientific evidence supports the idea. It corresponds beautifully to the evidence of the natural world. Doubting evolution is like doubting the laws of thermodynamics. We might indeed find that the laws of thermodynamics are not what we think they are someday–who knows, maybe we’ll have warp drive. But in this world, now, the theory of evolution is the most credible, provable explanation for change in living creatures.
If someone wants to argue that God has created disease resistant bacteria since the discovery of penicillin in 1928, not natural selection, then the terms of the discussion shift to questions of faith, and I’d put them in a different thread.
TonyWalsham said:
Sorry to say David that your response is not an answer that any rational human being can either understand, much less accept as reality.There are simply too many contradictions in what the Bible says for it to be a cogent record of how the World started.
You demand of rationalists, proof that evolution is real.
Therefore rationalists have an equal right to demand of you proof that God exists.
If you can do that, then you will be the first human who has actually been able to do so.In the meantime there is ample proof evolution is true.
If you don’t want to believe the truth because it contradicts your “faith”, that is your problem. Not mine.
You are mistaken Tony. I do not demand proof of evolution, because I know there is no proof. At least none has yet to be found.
I will grant you the to our modern “logical” understanding (programmed biases) the Creation account in the Bible is pretty far fetched. What I am asking is for is both theories to be presented in school with equal emphasis and to allow students to understand that evolution is not “undisputed” as you and I have proven here.
What is so difficult to believe that if two adults, male and female are isolated and have children, that those children interbreed and have children of their own creating a society? I thought that was your question about Cain’s wife.