Interesting reading. For those of us who think that the federal Gummint has gotten too big for its’ britches, this is enough to cause ut to consider taking to the barricades! :lol:
Steve:
Thanks for the link!
My first thought was “So what? That’s the way thing are.” But on a second read, I realized just how far we have gotten away from the ideas, principles and agreements of the founders. NH’s resolution would seem to put things back in order.
Barbara & I are busy packing our bags in preparation for our move to New Hampshire immediately on their ratification of the resolution.
In my travels in NH, I have also noticed the beautiful geologic features that would make for a great LS railroad. Just need some rock drills and a little blasting powder!
Happy RRing,
Jerry
As of the end of this week, there are supposed to be 20 states that have some form of this adopted, or pending. This is up from 8 the week before. (IIRC)
THE SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN!!! Whoops this is happening in the North. Do you think they may have gotten it all wrong in '61? 1861 that is.
Sounds good. Then if Cullifornya wants to have the cleanest air in the country then it won’t be stopped from doing so by the Bush/Cheney EPA.
-Brian
Brian Donovan said:
Sounds good. Then if Cullifornya wants to have the cleanest air in the country then it won't be stopped from doing so by the Bush/Cheney EPA.-Brian
Ah, it won’t be long now before the leftists-socialists have to stop the bashing of Bush/Cheney. We’ll see if they hold The Messiah to the same high standard.
David Hill said:Brian Donovan said:
Sounds good. Then if Cullifornya wants to have the cleanest air in the country then it won't be stopped from doing so by the Bush/Cheney EPA.-Brian
Ah, it won’t be long now before the leftists-socialists have to stop the bashing of Bush/Cheney. We’ll see if they hold The Messiah to the same high standard.
David, it’s a reflex. They can’t help themselves.
One must really feel sorry for them. 
Shields up! :lol:
BTW, Brian, welcome to 2009, the Bush/Cheney EPA has been out of business for nearly a month, now!
Steve Featherkile said:David Hill said:Brian Donovan said:
Sounds good. Then if Cullifornya wants to have the cleanest air in the country then it won't be stopped from doing so by the Bush/Cheney EPA.-Brian
Ah, it won’t be long now before the leftists-socialists have to stop the bashing of Bush/Cheney. We’ll see if they hold The Messiah to the same high standard.
David, it’s a reflex. They can’t help themselves.One must really feel sorry for them.
Shields up! :lol:
BTW, Brian, welcome to 2009, the Bush/Cheney EPA has been out of business for nearly a month, now!
You’re one to talk, Steve. They have been licensing and registering automobiles for a hundred years but a proposal to do that with guns has got you running around like a chicken with its head cut off. They’re coming to take them away, Oh my!
I didn’t realize Arnie the Gubernator was a left wing socialist. I thought you guys wanted him to be able to run for Prez.
-Brian
Brian Donovan said:Steve Featherkile said:David Hill said:David, it's a reflex. They can't help themselves.
Ah, it won't be long now before the leftists-socialists have to stop the bashing of Bush/Cheney. We'll see if they hold The Messiah to the same high standard.One must really feel sorry for them.
Shields up! :lol:
BTW, Brian, welcome to 2009, the Bush/Cheney EPA has been out of business for nearly a month, now!
You’re one to talk, Steve. They have been licensing and registering automobiles for a hundred years but a proposal to do that with guns has got you running around like a chicken with its head cut off. They’re coming to take them away, Oh my!I didn’t realize Arnie the Gubernator was a left wing socialist. I thought you guys wanted him to be able to run for Prez.
-Brian
Don’t count me among that lot. And what does Arnie have to do with this topic, anyway? Nor is this one about keeping the 2nd Amendment pristine. Brian, you are just trying to muddy the waters.
Brian Donovan said:
Sounds good. Then if Cullifornya wants to have the cleanest air in the country then it won't be stopped from doing so by the Bush/Cheney EPA.-Brian
Easy Brian it was the Cullifornyins that voted for Obama and the Clinton crew that wants all the clean crap and are passing the laws, us in the valley don’t have a chance so don’t hold it against all Cullifornyains.
John,
it was a Republican, the Govenator, who has proposed most of the recent ‘green’ laws in California.
For most of American history “state’s rights” has been little more than a cover for the right to keep black people down. True, northerners invoked state’s right after Dred Scot, because the case invalidated a northern state’s right to make slavery illegal. But state’s rights arguments are almost always an attempt to dress a pig up in a ball gown and call it a princess. From the 1890s till the present, state’s rights arguments have been used almost exclusively by people who wanted to disenfranchise and segregate.
But they aren’t always–tthe Constitution sets up a tension between federal and state sovereignty that can never be resolved. In my opinion, state’s rights themselves, and state sovereingty, are a throwback to the days when mail traveled by horseback and it was inefficient to administer geographically large tracts. That and they reflect, in the US, the concentration of slavery in the South. But then if I were king I’d abolish the Senate!
New Hampshire has a very strong libertarian/conservative streak, or it did until the last 10-20 years. The move away from conservative politics, interestingly, coincides with New Hampshire’s movement out of the ranks of the ten poorest states
Tim Brien said:Schwartznager has [b]always[/b] been a RINO (Republican In Name Only).
John, it was a Republican, the Govenator, who has proposed most of the recent 'green' laws in California.
States Rights is about the 9th and 10th Amendment to the united States Constitution.
Brian Donovan said:Schwarzenegger is a left wing socialist to the conservatives and a right wing dictator to the liberals. Seems these day that anyone with centrist views is totally unacceptable to virtually all the kingmakers as well as the politically active.
I didn't realize Arnie the Gubernator was a left wing socialist. I thought you guys wanted him to be able to run for Prez. -Brian :P
Just my opinion, but I think we will continue to be able to find qualified candidates from among the folks who meet the current Constitutional qualifications for the office without amending the Constitution. Even more so when it is suggested that we amend the Constitution for one person! That would be the height of lunacy, regardless of a person’s short term popularity.
Meanwhile out here in The People’s Republic of California, the Governor, in his efforts to stave off the state’s impending declaration of bankruptcy, has seriously alienated both the right and to the left, leaving him with approval of well less than half of the citizenry. Not exactly the stuff that successful political campaigns are built on.
Happy RRing,
Jerry
Mike,
State’s Rights is much more than just the Democratic Party trying to keep the black folk down on the plantation.
Most recently, State’s Rights has been used to affirm the State’s right to regulate medical practice within the boundaries of the several states. See Ashcroft/Gonzales vs Oregon, 2006, decided in favor of Oregon.
Please read my post again–I said “mostly” and “almost always.”
Take a look at the record and it’s really clear–states’ rights arguments have overwhelmingly been the pet theory of segregationists and slaveholders. It’s an ugly record. In the early 20th century, men like Ben Tillman, the governor of/Senator from South Carolina could get up an openly assert the state’s right to prevent black people from voting in direct contradiction of the 14th amendment.
Here’s a famous quote from Tillman:
"Reacting to news that Booker T. Washington had dined at the White House with President Theodore Roosevelt and his family, Tillman predicted, “The action of President Roosevelt in entertaining that nigger will necessitate our killing a thousand niggers in the South before they will learn their place again.”
Tillman was all about S. Carolina’s sovereign right to determine who gets to vote.
Speaking for myself, I’m generally highly suspicious of state’s right arguments for exactly that reason.
Slavery was dying a natural death by the 1860’s as it had in Europe. Slavery was important to the agricultural South, more so than the industrial North. A black-eye on American history, but slavery had been around for centuries before in all societies, and still continues today in some.
The issue was does the Federal government have the authority to legislate beyond the limitations given it under the Ninth and Tenth Amendments of the US Constitution.
Yes, it does–the 14th and 15th amendments are pretty unambiguous on this point
Tillman’s comment came more than 50 years after the Civil War. Roosevelt invited Booker Washington to the White house in I think 1908. State’s Rights was constantly invoked in the 1950s and 60s to save legal segregation.
here’s the heritage of the “national state’s Right’s party”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_States’_Rights_Party
It may surprise some that would have us think that slavery died out over 140 years ago, but slavery is still rampant in many parts of the world, even in supposedly civilised societies. Slavery will never be stamped out whilever there is greed. Child labour and child prostitution are still active in Asia and slave ‘child’ soldiers are rampant in Africa and in South America where children are used as death squads, as a child will not get the same sentence, if convicted, as an adult would.
Slave labour was widely used in Europe during the Nazi regime in the 1930’s and 1940’s. How easily those with a right wing bent, forget the important parts of history when it suits their philosophies to do so.
Right up until the late 1960’s, black Americans were treated as slaves in their own country (over 100 years after Abe Lincoln freed them). In my own country, indigenous natives were not even given the vote, or at least treated as citizens, until a referendum in the late 1960’s. It only took 200 years for them to be recognised, other than down the barrell sights of a gun.