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RailPro Install in Bachmann C-19

I have spent most of this week learning and experimenting with the RailPro system. Except that the system lacks the ability to utilize a chuff trigger, I am really impressed. I have heard that Ring is working on implementing a chuff trigger, but that it is complicated by the way their system is designed, so it may be a long while before it is a feature. Even so, the chuff timing isn’t too bad, and to tell the truth, if I am not looking directly at the wheels or the cylinders, I really don’t notice it as a problem. There are also things I can do with a speed table to get the chuff to sync even better. I’ll look into that when I have the patience to figure it out.

I decided to follow the same path as I did with C.V.S.Ry. C-19 #8 three years ago: Eliminate the tender weight and all of the tender electronics, but leave the in-loco electronics in place. The RailPro LM3-S-G module makes this really simple since it supplies the 5V needed for lighting and has a battery pass-through to support the boiler fan and the smoke unit. I am able to take full control of everything from Class Lights to Firebox flicker using the programmable buttons. I’ve even added the ability to dim the cab light, headlight and rear light. The amount of dimming is programmed as a default when the button is pushed, but can be adjusted in real time if desired using the knob. This is all done without any external devices or connectors other than the battery. Way less complicated than Olde #8.

Since we all agree that threads need pictures, I took a few shots of the working install and HC screens. First up, a side view of the open tender. I’ve left the tender fan for the moment, but it’s not connected. I don’t think it will be needed as the LM stays quite cool. I’ll probably remove it. To the right of the fan is another one of those speakers salvaged from a sound bar. The RailPro LM3-S-G is temporarily mounted to the speaker enclosure which will not be it’s final position. In the foreground you can see the output wires already connected to the tender plug wires for light and smoke control…

This view shows the screw connection end of the module. From left to right: +5V to the boiler for light power, the + lead from a LiIon battery pack, Motor + lead, Motor - lead, the - battery lead, battery common to boiler, battery + voltage to the boiler. I will create a new spreadsheet documenting these connections and post it here soon…

Of course, it would have been possible to leave all of the factory electronics in place and solder the RailPro leads directly to the tender board -OR- use the “octopus” board to make connections. I chose to remove all that as much of the circuitry is redundant. It’s probably not significant, but all that electronics does use some power. Since I had already documented all of the wires from the tender plugs, it was really just a matter of soldering the wires.

Moving to the controller, this is how I set up the first page of user defined buttons. Photgraphing the computer screen seemed easier than trying to position the controller for a good shot…

And page two…

I’ve been running #345 back and forth on the indoor getting a feel for the system and tweaking my button set up. At this point I think I’m satisfied with the set up and I’m ready to go to the next steps. I still need to close up the hole in the speaker enclosure, bend and install some brackets to hold the speaker, then mount the Loco Module and tidy up. Should have that done before the weekend is out.

Since I have a second C-19 that I’d like to convert someday soon, I’m wondering if it’s possible to clone the programming of one LM to another.

Yea, Jon, it’s pretty easy to install(and use). Only problem I had was not replacing the batteries in the railbus. They wouldn’t hold a charge.

I’d charge it up, take it back outside to show Ric and they’d be dead by the time I got it on the track. Shoulda known better since they were the original batteries.

I’m installing RailPro (my first) this week in a LGB 2055 Alco, I plan to do others in the next couple of months, a LGB 2063 will be the next engine to receive RailPro. My railroad is indoors and will be a switching layout (under construction) so I don’t need a room full of engines talking to me, if you know what I mean. Thanks for the pics, its always nice to see what others are doing.

trainman

It always amazes me how I can look at something and not see a detail until I take a picture. Just realized that since the Front and Rear light buttons were set at the factory, they have diesel outline icons. CAN’T HAVE THAT!!! I will change them to steam outline immediately. Sorry. (https://www.largescalecentral.com/externals/tinymce/plugins/emoticons/img/smiley-cry.gif)

Hey JRad, you asked some good questions on the RailPro forum! You woke 'em up! That chuff sync (purple input wire?) subject has been at or near the top of Tim Ring’s to-do list for a few years now. I suggested to the board owner that he allocate a section just for Large Scale users. Now that there have been more Large Scale guys joining the forum recently, maybe he’ll consider it. Most of those guys are into HO scale.

I see that you have a fan pointing towards the LM3-S-G module. I asked Mr. Ring about the need for a fan(s) as I’d seen a couple of guys on Facebook complain about the heat. Plus, Don Sweet told me that he uses one or two fans on his installs. Anyway, Tim Ring replied to my question:

“The only overheating issues were with our first run boards and they were very few and far between. The new Rev 3.00+ boards are extremely capable of handling heat and have not heard of any problems and the huge vast majority will not need any fans with Rev 3.00+ boards. You should not enclose most of the module with a holding bracket. Please see the manual for directions on spacing required around the module for proper heat dissipation”.

Looks like you have adequate air circulation around your module anyway, Jon.

Thanks Michael. I did yank the fan and bracket. Final position of the board will be attached to the side of the speaker with foam double sided tape. According to the instructions, vertical orientation is OK so long as the maximum current is less than 1500MA which my C19 is (without smoke).

TIP: If the auto set for the Motor Full Load current is set up to less than 1500mA you
can mount the module in any orientation

If I have a heat problem I can always re-orient the board and/or put the fan back in.

I’m about to head over to teh user group to see if my question on cloning LMs was answered. That would make doing my second C-19 SO much easier!

I updated m C-19 Tender Plug pin out chart for a RailPro installation. Find the PDF Here (link)

So, I opened up my original C-19 tender, #8, to see how I made the speaker / switch brackets. I decided since I was in there I might as well strip everything out and prep for RailPro. After about 16 hours at the workbench, I now have both C-19’s wired and functioning on RailPro. What strikes me immediately is how much simpler this system is . Everything needed is on the locomotive module including +5V and battery voltage output. The first two pictures show #8 configured with Rail Boss, Phoenix and a 5V DC converter…

Now, this is the same loco with more features enabled using just a RailPro LMS-3-G…

The contrast in complexity is striking. Plenty of room left for an even bigger battery should I ever need that.

Once #8 was wired up, programmed and tested I turned my attention back to #345. When these pictures were taken I was ready to put the tender shell back on. Of course, that didn’t go well. The bracket with the power switch and pilot light interfered with the tender shell. As it turned out I simply needed to move that bracket to the front and fabricate a new strap for the rear, I didn’t take pictures of that change. So here are #345’s install photos…

After these pictures were taken, I buttoned up both tenders and played around with consisting. Other than the fact that, when consisted, the system wants to time the chuff on both locos the same, it’s very simple to do and works fantastic.

I’m definitely going to have a bunch of Rail Boss and Phoenix boards for sale soon!

Jason V asked a question via message, but I’d like to answer here.

Jon, If I’m reading this correctly you are basically running the wires directly from the jumpers off the locomotive itself to the RailPro terminal? Or am I wrong? And do you have any pictures of that part too? Thanks Jason

Yes, exactly. I un-soldered all the colored wires that lead from the connectors on the front of the tender from the circuit board in the tender. Those wires are then attached to the appropriate place on the RailPro module. See the PDF posted above for what goes where. There are a few wires that don’t get used, I heat shrink them closed and tuck them aside. Some go into the screw terminals, others get soldered to the 9 Pin plug harness. This picture shows wires from the tender plug soldered to the 9 pin harness…

And in this close-up of the screw terminals, wires connected to +5V M1+, M1-, COM and V+ are from the plugs. TRK connections are my battery + and -. I use a 3A fuse between my LiIon 4S pack and the RailPro. Also, on the Front and Rear LED output lines I added a 1K resistor per the Bachmann schematic.

Does that answer your question?

RCS of New England has standoffs for the LM3-S-G, very nicely done, I just received mine a couple of days ago for my installs. These standoffs raise the LM off the mounting surface and let the wires run under it, plus help dissipate the heat from the LM better.

trainman

Jon, Yes it does! Thank you

Jason